Momentum Transfer in WTC

So. Do you think Jones estimate of 2000 lbs of explosives is enough to blow up 3 million cubic feet on concrete while cutting the core/perimeter columns(and desks, furniture, carpet, moniters, computers, humans)?

I don't know. Maybe it would 4000 lbs. Maybe 8000. What's your point?

While you're mulling that, I'll try again to spoon feed you my point, again, about the illogic in NIST.

If you are trying to contend that the observations require more explosives than could possibly be planted, you are clearly refuting your own postiion. If your position is that local collapse can lead to global collapse, then only small amounts of explosives are required. Or, put another way, if you insist that large amounts of explosives are required, then you are refuting NIST.
 
But hey why not show me a better video of the area? Then we can clear it up.

That's ignoring the evidence in front of you, Kent. If you send another video with the flashes in it, we'll look at that too. I don't have another one. My goodness you are being evasive. Is there another video you know of that you would like to bring out?

Anyone else want to embarrass themselves and claim to see falling debris around the south tower flash?

Mackey, what's your take on this? More name calling and shouting? Are you still figuring out how the cross bracing got onto the core structure in the rubble after the construction guys removed it 30 years ago?
 
It's interesting to get info like this...

In comparing the WTC dust cloud to the ash clouds from the 1995-96 Ruapehu eruptions it becomes clear the volume of actual particles in the WTC dust clouds is most likely very small.

Now, of course, the volume of the material in the Ruapehu eruptions was far greater - about 60 million cubic metres over 13 months. But individual eruptions give volumes much closer to the 80,000 cubic metres of WTC concrete. And yet the "clouds" from these individual eruptions quite literally dwarf the WTC collapse clouds. We are talking about pillars of ash that rose as high as 12 km into the sky.

-Andrew
Don't forget the pyroclastic flows that came from the towers. Remember all those people on the ground being burned and suffocated by 500c gas?

Oh, wait, that was Pompeii.
 
That's ignoring the evidence in front of you, Kent. If you send another video with the flashes in it, we'll look at that too.

Okay, its clear that you arent reading Kents posts. He just posted a link to a second video that shows the flashes.

....and what were you saying earlier about repeatability??
 
That's ignoring the evidence in front of you, Kent. If you send another video with the flashes in it, we'll look at that too. I don't have another one. My goodness you are being evasive. Is there another video you know of that you would like to bring out?

Anyone else want to embarrass themselves and claim to see falling debris around the south tower flash?

Mackey, what's your take on this? More name calling and shouting? Are you still figuring out how the cross bracing got onto the core structure in the rubble after the construction guys removed it 30 years ago?
What demolitions whiz planted explosoves on the 108th floor, Truth? What do you suppose the goal was?
Please name the explosives that have a blast duration of 1.75 seconds.
 
That's ignoring the evidence in front of you, Kent. If you send another video with the flashes in it, we'll look at that too. I don't have another one. My goodness you are being evasive. Is there another video you know of that you would like to bring out?

Anyone else want to embarrass themselves and claim to see falling debris around the south tower flash?

Mackey, what's your take on this? More name calling and shouting? Are you still figuring out how the cross bracing got onto the core structure in the rubble after the construction guys removed it 30 years ago?

I'm sure they are a whole group of people here that would be glad to "embarrass themselves".

Again note he avoided the other video.

Let's try something...do you see debris here flashing?
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc1dem7...n.north.03.avi

Would you agree it happens at the same time as this video from gordons site?
http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/d...pirefinish.wmv
 
There are flashes evident. Focus on the one that occurs on the corner, about halfway up between the damage zone and the top. I do not observe any falling debris of any kind in this area. Do you?


Yes, I do. The corner disintegrates just as the light appears. And the flash of light is tiny - probably only a few pixels on the CCD.

I gave my opinion on the video (including my "crudentials") and you completely ignored it.

-Andrew
 
I'm sure they are a whole group of people here that would be glad to "embarrass themselves".

Again note he avoided the other video.
Lisa Simson and myself have already embaressed ourselves...I'm willing to do so again.
 
Oh, we already talked about that other video. Yes, in that one there are many pieces of shiney debris that reflect light. They do not look anything like the flash on the corner of the tower in the other video. In this one, the pieces of debris do not disappear when they stop reflecting so much light. You can still see them.
 
What demolitions whiz planted explosoves on the 108th floor, Truth? What do you suppose the goal was?
Please name the explosives that have a blast duration of 1.75 seconds.
I guess TruthSeeker has no answer. Oh, well. Perhaps you can give your childish, ignorant, myopic obsessions a rest on 9/11, Truth. Deal with reality for a day. That's not asking too much, is it?

Good night, and have a peaceful 9/11.
 
Oh, we already talked about that other video. Yes, in that one there are many pieces of shiney debris that reflect light. They do not look anything like the flash on the corner of the tower in the other video. In this one, the pieces of debris do not disappear when they stop reflecting so much light. You can still see them.
That's funny cause I see all kinds of disappearing
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc1dem7/911.wtc.1.demolition.north.03.avi

But again did you guys note, he still didn't answer the question.
Do you see debris here flashing?
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc1dem7/911.wtc.1.demolition.north.03.avi

Would you agree it happens at the same time as this video from gordons site?
http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/downloads/spirefinish.wmv
 
Anyone who cites Christophera photos of proof of anything, as "truthseeker" did above, is probably certifiable on that basis alone.

That aside, surely I am not the only one to notice that while "truthseeker" purports to be interested in science, he hasn't actually advanced any. All he has offered thusfar is photographs and videos and his own uneducated opinions about them, while distorting what others have said.

My guess is that he has no scientific knowledge whatsoever and that his only expertise is in googling conspiracy theories and convincing himself that they *must* be true because some other tinhatters told him so.

My goodness, Lash! You mean this isn't pure science?:D :D

Kent, I'm not being dishonest. I asked what observations you make that allow you to think that the flashes are reflections. I know that, theoretically, shiney material can reflect sunlight. But I do not observe any debris, at all, in the area. The flash is large. The debris would have to be as large. It could not disappear.

Again, what do you observe that allows your position? Without an observation, you are arguing from incredulity.

Bolding and italics mine.

Observations! Say no more. Troofspeaker read somewhere that scientists have to observe things to prove their theories. He didn't, unfortunately, read that scientists observe things in controlled environments in the real world, not on some pimply kid's website.

The Shiny(not shiney, yutz!) Material Can Reflect Sunlight Theorem. I believe Hawking covered this beautifully in his 1986 classic, "Oooh, Look Mommy I see big bwight lights..." Of course, there's a counter to Hawking's theory offered by the USAF - those could be weather balloons.

Arguing from Incredulity. We had a guy here a while back who used to use "ad hom" with the same frequency and also had no clue as to what his pet expression meant.

This has been pseudo-science from the first post. It is now heading into Christophera territory, .... rapidly.

Truthseeker, why is it that when we observe, it's unaccepted conjecture? When you observe, it's factual evidence? When we point out the absence of scientific facts or request you to refer to some, you say that observation is more important. But then again, our observations aren't important. YOUR observations are. Do you begin to see a pattern? You are seriously deluded that you are having an intelligent debate, here. You are blowing smoke up our kilts and offering nothing in return. "I can see but you can't" is not an argument, it's a wussy kindergarten recess temper tantrum.
 
I guess TruthSeeker has no answer. Oh, well. Perhaps you can give your childish, ignorant, myopic obsessions a rest on 9/11, Truth. Deal with reality for a day. That's not asking too much, is it?

Good night, and have a peaceful 9/11.

Actually, I have a nice idea. We're all friends here, right? Truth, why don't you drop down to Ground Zero today? (I'm in Asia, so it's well into the 11th already...) I'm sure Gravy and R. Mackey and the lads and lasses would like to meet a serious scholar up close. :D
 
Mackey, what's your take on this? More name calling and shouting? Are you still figuring out how the cross bracing got onto the core structure in the rubble after the construction guys removed it 30 years ago?
Funny how he's asking for my help yet again.

TruthSeeker, it's now September 11th where I live. I'm taking a 24-hour break from this lunacy, as respect for the fallen demands it be simply ignored and left in peace.

That should be plenty of time for you to find where I've "name called" and "shouted." I will be back, and you had better have answers... or lose your credibility. Ta!
 
Funny how he's asking for my help yet again.

TruthSeeker, it's now September 11th where I live. I'm taking a 24-hour break from this lunacy, as respect for the fallen demands it be simply ignored and left in peace.

That should be plenty of time for you to find where I've "name called" and "shouted." I will be back, and you had better have answers... or lose your credibility. Ta!

It's 9/11. This is my last post until the 12th. See ya then.
Nuff said.
 

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