Molten Steel

[Christopher7]

True, but the explosives they are trained to detect can be eliminated, and the argument by C7 that no testing was done for explosives on-site is falsified. Thermite passes through that one argument, but it's caught in others.

No one tested for explosives or thermite.

Bomb sniffing dogs were removed a few days before 9/11. When were they brought back and how were they used?

 

[tsig]

Ah, so in addition to rigging BOTH of the towers for demolition without being noticed, those clever culprits also installed blast mats to muffle the sound.

Not only that. We convinced the occupants that the mats were there to cushion them in case of attack.

The devilish cleverness of teh NWO knows no end. (cue villain laugh)

 

[tsig]

Hush-a-booms are massively powerful yet highly gentle and selective. I thought the NWO gave you the memo?

Golly it's as if witness fallibility witnesses and explosions in burning buildings are unheard of in their worlds... I'll have to agree with Dave on multiple levels, if their premise is that error, simile, metaphor, etc are non-existent and everything is taken literally then there's no convincing the likes of C7 and others. C7 is grossly uninformed on the topics he touts and he's unlikely to ever understand them.

I know we're the NWO and our evil and deviousness knows no bounds but why are there explosive sounds if we used thermite?

 

[BigAl]

I do not need to know what happened in order to know what did not happen.

I guess that means I should forget my dusty university engineering education which had a bit of structural mechanics along with the physics and chemistry, forget my professional work in large 24x7 operations in Manhattan buildings that show the claims of being able to place bombs silly and how a building operates in general, forget my relevant avocational work; properties of metal, radio, blowing stuff up.

I can forget what I saw with my own eyes in Manhattan on and after 9/11 that shows Twoofer claims to be contra-factual, to say the least.

I can forget that I saw the pile and know a couple first responders and meet countless others in my day-to-day travels.

I can forget that the "peer reviewed" documents on Jones' j911s site are intellectual frauds; lies of omission, and internally self-debunking when the citations are read and understood.

I came to all of the above before Richard Gage came on the scene.
I've never been able to sit through one of his videos.

 

[boloboffin]

Hey if you want a real debate you can come over to the BBC blog and we can have a real debate there where you will not be limited to a specific thread topic (you do have to be on topic but in this one we are talking 9/11 conspiracies). However over there you will need to keep it civil, you will not be able to resort to a lot of the tactics you use here.

Ah, so there you're free to dart from subject to subject, distracting and dodging, never answering the actual questions? Those are the tactics you prefer?

It seems to me that if you had real arguments, you could concentrate on them one at a time.

 

[phunk]

Hey, if the owner of the buildings wanted stuff brought in why do you think he would have any trouble doing so?

The tennants might have an issue with all of the columns being stripped down then loaded with explosives and wrapped with the mats.

 

[tsig]

I'm going to assume you mistyped that...twice, since a reduction of "two thirds" of 140 is a reduction of about 93, not a reduction of 4, which would bring it down to about 47DB.

That report was also to show you that noise abatement is easily possible. You should not assume that every method of noise abatement possible was investigated in that report, unless you want to try desperately to try and "discredit" noise abatement to justify your point of view.

I simply posted that to show that noise abatement is possible and look at you guys running around here trying to throw water on the fire.

Looked to me more like bringing facts to bear on the question.

 

[boloboffin]

No one tested for explosives or thermite.

You are ignoring the facts. Bomb-sniffing dogs means that explosives were tested for. Your isolation of thermite is expected, but it's still moving the goalposts.

Bomb sniffing dogs were removed a few days before 9/11. When were they brought back and how were they used?

You are conflating two different incidents. Before 9/11, more bomb-sniffing dogs had been added to the one already there. Those were taken away, but the one that was always there remained there. None of the dogs ever detected any explosives.

Big Al has the details we know about the ones that were brought back, and it was only natural that they were. The mechanism of the towers' collapses was not known, and since they were bombed in 1992, there was every reason to suspect devices in the towers, devices which might hamper the rescue operations. No devices or explosive residue was ever discovered.

ETA: And does your responding to my response to Big Al's response to my rather long post but your ignoring of that long post mean that will be your sole attention to it? Evasion, in other words?

 

[Arus808]

really 76 pages of stuff debunked in 2006? really guys. you're a feeding a TROLL.

 

[BigAl]

I know we're the NWO and our evil and deviousness knows no bounds but why are there explosive sounds if we used thermite?

All the descriptions if nano-thermite I've been able to find mention high brisance in one way or another. "High brisance" is a fancy phrase for "It goes BOOM real good".

 

[boloboffin]

really 76 pages of stuff debunked in 2006? really guys. you're a feeding a TROLL.

Hey, 61 pages over here. Adjust your post per page option.

 

[tsig]

Truthers who think they know everything and don't even understand the decibel scale rock!

(Ha ha, beat twinstead to it!)

Dave

Well the log scale is what I use to weigh a cord of wood.

 

[Christopher7]

The steel was probably not melted in the debris piles. It was probably melted in the process of the collapse.

So within a matter of seconds thousands of tons of steel liquefied in mid air?

It's truly astounding how you guys can read a statement and deduce something that has nothing to do with the statement. I'm especially impressed with the "mid air" part.

 

[boloboffin]

It's truly astounding how you guys can read a statement and deduce something that has nothing to do with the statement. I'm especially impressed with the "mid air" part.

Perhaps you could be SO KIND as to explain what the you actually intend to mean, instead of laughing up your sleeve at attempts to make any bloody sense of the words you use.

 

[BigAl]

Bomb sniffing dogs were removed a few days before 9/11. When were they brought back and how were they used?

The NYPD bomb squad with their dogs was told cover the WTC site on and after 9/11. .

Source: Bomb Squad, which I've cited several other times in this thread.

 

[tsig]

If there were bomb-sniffing dogs at the Pile, then they did do tests for explosives. Bomb-sniffing dogs would have detected explosive residue. They found nothing. That is positive evidence for no bombs. Together with the Blanchard evidence of no characteristic explosive spike in the seismographs, that is two strong, supporting proofs that no explosives were used to demolish these buildings.

If the fires were hot enough to keep the metal molten, they were hot enough to get them molten in the first place.

No thermite cutter charge has ever been demonstrated to actually exist.

Extensive scientific modeling has shown that the buildings fell due to their damage and the fires (7 due to its unique design and the fires alone).

There is no explanation that fits molten steel under Building 6 other than ordinary fire.

There has never, ever been any scientific proof that anyone saw actual molten steel. It is possible that some steel did go to liquid under the Pile, but as explained previously, liquid aluminum can run over steel and melt it at much lower temperatures. In fact, any element capable of mixing with steel has the potential to alter such things as melting point.

There has never, ever been any evidence whatsoever offered that there were pools of molten steel. There has been one single quote offered in evidence of this and it was fabricated by all honest accounts.

"Molten" is a term applied not only to liquid metal, but any metal that is glowing hot (for example, one witness talks about the metal in a fire truck being molten - if it was liquid, it wasn't a fire truck). So many of the quotes talking about molten steel don't even necessarily mean "liquid."

The dogs were threatened with loss of dogfood and cat chasing privileges so they turned their nose up at any explosive evidence.

 

[SteveAustin]

Ah, so there you're free to dart from subject to subject, distracting and dodging, never answering the actual questions? Those are the tactics you prefer?

Yes... that's exactly it... and a very good excuse for you not to come over and participate... I mean those of us over there do not have a problem with the discussion and the way it flows

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Yes... that's exactly it... and a very good excuse for you not to come over and participate... I mean those of us over there do not have a problem with the discussion and the way it flows

HINT:

And all of your magical worries about thread directions disappear. Nobody can tell you you're off topic if you've made a thread about that very thing

 

[Christopher7]

You are ignoring the facts. Bomb-sniffing dogs means that explosives were tested for.

Source?

You are conflating two different incidents. Before 9/11, more bomb-sniffing dogs had been added to the one already there. Those were taken away, but the one that was always there remained there.

Source?

No devices or explosive residue was ever discovered.

How could they find something they did not look for?
No one tested for explosives residue.


Stop lying about it!

 

[tsig]

It's truly astounding how you guys can read a statement and deduce something that has nothing to do with the statement. I'm especially impressed with the "mid air" part.

Well Chris the steel was solid before the collapse(it was still holding up the building) and you say it was liquid when it hit the ground. Sounds like "mid-air" to me.