Molten Steel

[Christopher7]

No, C7, we are not inferring that. We are out-and-out stating that you are lying with your witnesses' words.

Doublespeak. You are calling me and/or the witnesses liars. It's just a cheap shot. Totally unfounded. You would call god a liar if he said anything to destroy your fanatic defense of the OCT.

You will be allowed to insult anyone who presents evidence that destroys the OCT because the mods will turn a blind eye.

The true nature of this form is patently obvious.

Please stop repeating Gravy's asinine request to contact these people for conformation. Their statements stand as is.

Either you believe them or you don't. You do not despit the fact that that does not make any sense. Therefore it probably makes dollars.

You guys are fooling no one but yourselves.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Obviously he did not see the steel melt did he? Therefore someone told him.

Since thermite was clearly the cause of the molten steel may I ask if there were any witnesses that reported seeing it while it was doing its work on the steel? It can be at any time between immediately after the collapse and 8 months after the fact during clean up. I'm just curious since all of these professionals and on-scene workers seem to support your contention, and to top it off it seems you have dozens upon dozens of reports.

What is it with you people calling people liars? You are definitely reading from Gravy's playbook.

That is a personal attack based on your personal inability to figure out the obvious. Unreal.

C7, we have discussed other platforms where you contend to fully understand design specifications, and structural failure in which you demonstrated quite effectively you have no such expertise or study in it. You insist that you know this material. That would certainly qualify as incompetence, at best, and lying at worst in my book. This isn't intended to be an attack on your character, but when you try to pass across as a qualified representative and you can't demonstrate what you preach then people who are not familiar with the subjects need to be alerted to that.

I'm quoting witnesses and you are calling me a liar.

You're also conveying witness statements making no distinction between literal interpretation and what could otherwise be hyperbole, simile, and metaphor. I'm perfectly content with you using witness statements use them, but it would make you look less like a liar if you actually showed some initiative to consider that witnesses themselves are fallible. You've yet to show any effort to do so. To you there is no difference between a witness stating he saw molten metal and a witness who states he saw molten steel. There's no distinction between their level of expertise or context. You make it rather obvious that your position is tainted with bias.

The same old double talk and denial is endless. Just new people reading the same script.

Or people actually have a different thought process than your own. If the way you reason with witness statements is any indication, there's a lot missing from you. Blaming how other people consider the evidence they are presented on a scapegoat is hardly anything productive.

 

[Mercutio]

C7... I know you have done extensive research, so I ask you as an authority...

What percentage of ground zero witnesses make any claims of liquid steel?

How many make any claims at all?

How many claim to have seen liquid steel?

Just curious. I assume you have the information, as it is crucial to your claim.

 

[Sunstealer]

FIn a blast furnace.

No, that is not possible. You are talking thru your hat.

Dude, steel melts at 2750 [FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F.

In your desire to deny the collective result of the witness statements you are making uninformed absurd statements.

Look at the bolded parts and see the irony. Blast furnaces do not melt steel. The blast furnace smelts iron ore to make iron or pig iron (which has a very high carbon content and is therefore not steel either).

So whilst you are accusing people of "uninformed absurd statements" you yourself are making them. Nothing new there then.

It takes very little to melt steel - I often go round to my blacksmith friend and muck about with various bits and bobs. We modified his small charcoal forge for a friend and that melts steel - it's no bigger than a medium sized barbecue. He then added an electric fan and that gets it upto temperature even quicker. I have to keep on reminding him not to go nuts because he burns the steel and it then cracks when forging.

 

[Mercutio]

Doublespeak. You are calling me and/or the witnesses liars. It's just a cheap shot. Totally unfounded. You would call god a liar if he said anything to destroy your fanatic defense of the OCT.

If god wrote what you wrote, then I would indeed call god a liar. It would probably be a test of some sort, and I would go to heaven for passing.

You will be allowed to insult anyone who presents evidence that destroys the OCT because the mods will turn a blind eye.

No. At least one of the mods can't stand me, I promise you. The mods carefully weighed your accusation of rule 12 violation, and found it lacking.

The true nature of this form is patently obvious.

Assuming you meant "forum", then yes. This forum does prefer stuff that is supported by evidence. That is, as you say, patently obvious.

Please stop repeating Gravy's asinine request to contact these people for conformation. Their statements stand as is.

Gravy is a friend of mine. He bought me beer in Brooklyn. If you imply that I would use his words without citing him, you are accusing me of plagiarism--worse, plagiarizing a friend. I would not do that to Gravy, not even to humiliate you.

Either you believe them or you don't. You do not despit the fact that that does not make any sense. Therefore it probably makes dollars.

I already told you, I believe them. I take their words at face value. I would not insult them, as you do, by twisting their words of years ago to fit a narrow agenda. I would not, as you do, use their words to lie. I would not, as you do, accuse them of conspiracy to kill thousands of their countrymen.

You guys are fooling no one but yourselves.

And you are fooling no one at all. Even you, C7, know you are lying.

 

[Christopher7]

So therefore you are defining molten as liquid. OK I have no problem with that. You keep showing us the claw photo and claiming molten metal but the claw photo clearly shows a solid.

Therefore by your own definition the claw is not picking up molten metal is it?

Please, this is getting absurd. There is pale yellow metal dripping off the bottom of a semi solid glob. You will deny this of course.

Furthermore, the semi molten steel is far above the temperature open fires, much less oxygen starved fires, can attain.

You guys will continue to talk in circles and I will continue to point out that a reasonable person would look at all the statements together and conclude that there was molten steel in the debris pile.

Paid disinformation agents will endlessly nitpick and babble in a never ending attempt to deny the obvious an hopefully muddy the waters enough to fool some of the people.

 

[Toke]

I gave up when the lumb were removed from the rubble and all witnesses and photos of it suppressed.
How does C7 combine the expertise to suppress that, with the excistance of the witnesses he claim saw molten steel.


And i still don´t get the importance of whether there were liquid steel around during cleanup.

 

[Christopher7]

If god wrote what you wrote, then I would indeed call god a liar.

That's the first true thing you have said.

 

[stateofgrace]

Classic stuff Chris,

I am not putting words into statements that you do not agree with; I am simply asking you very civil questions and quoting your statements that you fully agree with.

So, let me get this straight, you think that death squads controlled by a psychopathic Government went into three ( it is four actually ) fully occupied buildings prior to Sept 11th and planted lots and lots of thermite, so much so that when ignited it brought down these buildings and kept metal, by the ton, molten for weeks after it was ignited. And now you are saying that the same death squads planted explosives inside each of these buildings, right?

Yet, and here is the kicker,Chris, of the thousands of people that were inside these building nobody, not a single person noticed. Not a single person from the thousands spotted death squads planting lots and lots of thermite and lots and lots explosives inside the buildings.Not a single person, seven years later, figured out that the guy in the coveralls, they saw,wasn't really upgrading the telephone system but was planting tons and tons of thermite and explosives. Not a single people involved in the logistics of such a mammoth task as stepped forward and confirmed any of this. The suppliers, the buyers, the planners, the death squads themselves, nobody as stepped forward to confirm your beliefs.

Why do think that is Chris? Maybe they are all in denial, what do you think ?

Chris, any comment?

 

[bonavada]

No, that is not possible. You are talking thru your hat.

Do I have to take your word for this? Or can you show me evidence from a real expert?

I am no expert but I can make an informed laymans guess that burning "office combustibles" under the right conditions could melt steel. Prove me wrong.


BV

 

[Shalamar]

C7, the problem you have is that you are absolutely convinced that 9/11 was an inside job. The evidence you have is that when the buildings fell, it looked like an inside job. You say that people saw molten steel at Ground 0, and you take their word as gospel. You then say that ONLY therm*te can melt steel.

When others point out how your claims aren't accurate, you yell at them. When they say how other things could have produced the same things, you say they are lying, or that they are accusing others of lying.

You have to look at ALL the evidence.

Molten steel at Ground 0, weeks after the collapses. Was it really steel? Did the witnesses know for sure what they were looking at? Did they use the word implying one meaning, but really trying to use a different term?

Can therm*te really burn for weeks on end? Can therm*te completely melt a steel beam without people noticing? What is the energy output of therm*te?

Are there other metals in large quantities in the towers with lower melting points?

You keep ignoring other evidence that lean away from a CD, and an inside job. You can't. You have to critically consider everything at stake.

There was likely a great amount of aluminum used in the towers in the forms of office furniture. Why? Cheaper, lighter than simular amounts of steel. You refuse to accept this, claiming it was all steel.

Fires can burn rather hot, at greater temperatures than one would expect. Especially when a number of different materials are burning, and a debris pile can easily trap heat.

Thermite can not consistently keep steel molten. Its energy is expended rather rapidly.

This forum is used for critically thinking, and looking at the evidence. You have provided neither. I, and most others would happily support an inside job, if the evidence supports it. It does not. If you have something new to bring to the table, feel free to present it, but all of your claims have been refuted. Repeatedly.

 

[Christopher7]

I gave up when the lumb were removed from the rubble and all witnesses and photos of it suppressed.
How does C7 combine the expertise to suppress that, with the excistance of the witnesses he claim saw molten steel.

Obviously not all. You are having a problem with that?

And i still don´t get the importance of whether there were liquid steel around during cleanup.

The existence of molten metal can only be the result of thermite. That's why everyone here is so desperately trying to deny it.

 

[Toke]

Obviously not all. You are having a problem with that?

Assuming there are several shiploads of termite to create molten steel.

That would make a pretty big lumb of metal.
The equipment needed to move that is hard to hide.

How come that can be suppresssed, but not "reports" of the metal while stiil molten.

Why that disparity in efficiency of witness and photo suppresion.

 

[Christopher7]

C7, the problem you have is that you are absolutely convinced that 9/11 was an inside job.

WTC 7 imploded, fell at free fall for 105 feet and near free fall the rest of the way, then landed mostly in it's own footprint. That can only happen in a CD.

The failure of a single column cannot cause a 47 story building to collapse completely. Most housewives I have talked to know that.

Only someone in deep denial or a paid disinfo agent would claim otherwise.

 

[ravdin]

That is a subject for another thread and will only result in a barrage of childish insults. No thank you.

It's germane to this thread because if you believe that the WTC buildings collapsed as a result of a controlled detonation, then you ought to have a reasonable explanation as to who pulled it off, how, and why. If your theory is the best one, why dodge the question?

You have my word, here for everyone to see, that if you answer my questions in a straightforward way I will not insult or disparage you. I'm genuinely curious as to who you believe the perpetrators to be and what their motivations were.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

So...

Is the debunker position on this still that there is no evidence of molten steel because the evidence was destroyed?

Good job. That really is convincing many.

 

[Mercutio]

That's the first true thing you have said.

Hell, it's not even the most recent true thing I have said.

If you can prove anything I have said wrong, please feel free to correct me. I will thank you for it.

Until then, your own words prove you a liar many times over. You lie on your own behalf, and on behalf of your "witnesses". You are a liar, Christopher7.

Good thing that bit about bearing false witness isn't something you believe...

 

[Christopher7]

Assuming there are several shiploads of termite to create molten steel.

That is an asinine assumption made by an ass bent on obfuscating the facts.

How come that can be suppresssed, but not "reports" of the metal while stiil molten.

Like so many here, English is clearly not your first language. This is not an insult. Being able to read and write in more than one language is admirable and quite common in Europe.
However, this does cause some misunderstanding.

Most of the photographic and video evidence is being suppressed. The MSM is owned by a handful of corporations who control the content. Studies have shown that the more people watch MSM news, the more misinformed they are.

At one time, 70% of Americans thought that Saddam had something to do with 9/11 even though that doesn't make any sense and the CIA says there is no connection.

 

[Mercutio]

So...

Is the debunker position on this still that there is no evidence of molten steel because the evidence was destroyed?

Good job. That really is convincing many.

No, but thanks for playing. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

 

[stateofgrace]

Originally Posted by stateofgrace
Classic stuff Chris,

I am not putting words into statements that you do not agree with; I am simply asking you very civil questions and quoting your statements that you fully agree with.

So, let me get this straight, you think that death squads controlled by a psychopathic Government went into three ( it is four actually ) fully occupied buildings prior to Sept 11th and planted lots and lots of thermite, so much so that when ignited it brought down these buildings and kept metal, by the ton, molten for weeks after it was ignited. And now you are saying that the same death squads planted explosives inside each of these buildings, right?

Yet, and here is the kicker,Chris, of the thousands of people that were inside these building nobody, not a single person noticed. Not a single person from the thousands spotted death squads planting lots and lots of thermite and lots and lots explosives inside the buildings.Not a single person, seven years later, figured out that the guy in the coveralls, they saw,wasn't really upgrading the telephone system but was planting tons and tons of thermite and explosives. Not a single people involved in the logistics of such a mammoth task as stepped forward and confirmed any of this. The suppliers, the buyers, the planners, the death squads themselves, nobody as stepped forward to confirm your beliefs.

Why do think that is Chris? Maybe they are all in denial, what do you think ?

Chris, any comment ?