Molten Steel

[twinstead]

The aluminum cladding was blown up to 600 feet in all directions. There were no concentrations of the aluminum cladding.

Even if that were the case, and it's not, can you show there was NO other major source of aluminum in the buildings? (hint: as you have been shown, a lot of modern office furniture is made of aluminum.) How much of that office furniture do you think was in the WTC. 1 lb? 2 lbs? 10000 lbs? 10000000 lbs?

 

[bonavada]

The aluminum cladding was blown up to 600 feet in all directions. There were no concentrations of the aluminum cladding.

Up to 600 feet??? You mean 0-600ft?

Anyhoo...........what is the source for this claim? Or did you personally undertake the rather laborious measurements?

BV

 

[Toke]

C7,
Have you considered haw many tons of cobber wire were used in the buildings, or whether some of the thicker ones were aluminium.

Buildings that size would be supplied by high voltage (10KV*) and have transformer stations distributed around the buildings.

*In europe

What makes you think all the cladding were thrown free?

 

[Sunstealer]

The thing about concentration of a particular metal is a red herring because no-one has shown how much liquid metal was present. We don't know if it's thousands of tons or 1 gram. Therefore truthers have to come up with some sort of working figure otherwise the argument with regard to concentration is moot.

 

[Egil]

Aluminum would be found in a commercial office building. Coke vending machines, snack vending machines, chairs, desks, light fixtures, conduits, shelving brackets, sheet-rock ceiling grid, cars, carts, computers, aircraft parts, belts, shoes, wiring, jewelry, airplane parts, screws, elevator cabs, thresholds, doors knobs, hinges, sinks, urinals, toilets, bathroom partitions, cubical partitions, fax machines, zerox machines, printers, modems, routers, monitors, tools, machinery...

I can probbaly think of another two dozen or so places where aluminum would be found in an office building.

 

[twinstead]

Aluminum would be found in a commercial office building. Coke vending machines, snack vending machines, chairs, desks, light fixtures, conduits, shelving brackets, sheet-rock ceiling grid, cars, carts, computers, aircraft parts, belts, shoes, wiring, jewelry, airplane parts, screws, elevator cabs, thresholds, doors knobs, hinges, sinks, urinals, toilets, bathroom partitions, cubical partitions, fax machines, zerox machines, printers, modems, routers, monitors, tools, machinery...

I can probbaly think of another two dozen or so places where aluminum would be found in an office building.

I didn't even think of that. I wonder how many cans of soda alone were in the wtc when it collapsed. Well, how many C7? 1? 10? 1000? 10000? 100000?

 

[Toke]

C7,
Why is there no youtube video of a huge lumb of solified molten metal being hoisted out of the pile by some large crane?

Finding that video would help your case alot.

 

[Christopher7]

Up to 600 feet??? You mean 0-600ft?

Correct, although most in the 100-500 foot range.

Anyhoo...........what is the source for this claim? Or did you personally undertake the rather laborious measurements?

BV

This photo taken from Barklay St. behind WTC 7. [600']

4 ton frame sections 500', cladding up to 600'

 

[Mercutio]

C7,
Why is there no youtube video of a huge lumb of solified molten metal being hoisted out of the pile by some large crane?

Finding that video would help your case alot.

It's simple, Toke: As we all know, the entire recovery effort was undertaken in complete secrecy. No cameras were allowed in the city, and news reporters were banned. A total of 20 people, all CIA operatives, did all of the work, and then simultaneously killed one another. The recovered concrete, steel, office equipment and human remains were sent in a rocket directly to the sun.

The rumors of constant streams of people visiting the site, bringing cameras and video recorders? The rumors that surrounding buildings had windows with transparent glass that would allow them to see into the site? The rumors of regular updates on the news or internet? The so-called "investigations"? All a carefully orchestrated plot to fool us into thinking that hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people had the opportunity to catch that lump of solidified melted steel.

 

[twinstead]

Everybody knows that as metal solidifies after being molten it evaporates. Sheesh!

 

[Toke]

Thanks Mercutio, that explains it.

 

[Christopher7]

C7,
Have you considered haw many tons of cobber wire were used in the buildings, or whether some of the thicker ones were aluminium.

Yes, Probably about 1 or 2% of the total mass and mixed in with a million tons of other stuff.

Buildings that size would be supplied by high voltage (10KV*) and have transformer stations distributed around the buildings.

There was a sub station in WTC 7 that served the entire complex.

 

[Toke]

Yes, Probably about 1 or 2% of the total mass and mixed in with a million tons of other stuff.

Thats still alot of metal, have you found the video of the big lumb?

 

[ravdin]

I have a question for C7. I can plainly see you don't accept the conventional explanation for why the WTC buildings collapsed. Whom do you believe is responsible for the mass murder and destruction, and why did they do it?

 

[Christopher7]

C7,
Why is there no youtube video of a huge lumb of solified molten metal being hoisted out of the pile by some large crane?

Finding that video would help your case alot.

Yes it would. The government collected and is still withholding over 7,000 video clips and nearly 7,000 photos. Since this wasn't a criminal investigation,[although it should have been] there was no reason to remove them from public view in the first place. The govt could have made digital copies and returned the photos and videos to the broadcasters and individuals.
The only explanation for continuing to keep the public from seeing this evidence is a cover up. Please don't claim copyright problems. Given the choice some would publish and some would not. The public has a right to know what happened.

 

[Toke]

Yes it would. The government collected and is still withholding over 7,000 video clips and nearly 7,000 photos. Since this wasn't a criminal investigation,[although it should have been] there was no reason to remove them from public view in the first place. The govt could have made digital copies and returned the photos and videos to the broadcasters and individuals.
The only explanation for continuing to keep the public from seeing this evidence is a cover up. Please don't claim copyright problems. Given the choice some would publish and some would not. The public has a right to know what happened.

And all the vidnesses are chared to silence, right.

 

[Christopher7]

Aluminum would be found in a commercial office building. Coke vending machines, snack vending machines, chairs, desks, light fixtures, conduits, shelving brackets, sheet-rock ceiling grid, cars, carts, computers, aircraft parts, belts, shoes, wiring, jewelry, airplane parts, screws, elevator cabs, thresholds, doors knobs, hinges, sinks, urinals, toilets, bathroom partitions, cubical partitions, fax machines, zerox machines, printers, modems, routers, monitors, tools, machinery...

I can probbaly think of another two dozen or so places where aluminum would be found in an office building.

Most of the things you mentioned would be made of steel.

 

[twinstead]

Most of the things you mentioned would be made of steel.

Absolutely not. Most of those things are made of aluminum.

 

[Christopher7]

The thing about concentration of a particular metal is a red herring because no-one has shown how much liquid metal was present. We don't know if it's thousands of tons or 1 gram. Therefore truthers have to come up with some sort of working figure otherwise the argument with regard to concentration is moot.

You are being disingenuous. You know that Mark Loizeaux said that steel was being scooped out by the buckets of the excavators. There were many reports of molten steel at different times during the weeks and months after 9/11.

 

[bonavada]

Correct, although most in the 100-500 foot range.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8638/0007ab3.jpg

This photo taken from Barklay St. behind WTC 7. [600']

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5269/copyofnw12xy.jpg

4 ton frame sections 500', cladding up to 600'

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3436/wintergardendebris.jpg

So what? Aluminium cladding was found at distance from the origin. How is this relevant to this argument? We all know that significant amounts of aluminium cladding was also present at more central areas of the collapse zones. There are many images available showing it's presence there.

Is it so improbable that some of this might have subjected to enough heat to melt it?

I think you may have a little false dichotomy going on there Chris.

Take a look at the image below (Full resolution available HERE thanks to Gravy's work for the link)

Notice anything relevant to the argument?

BV