Molten Steel

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Christopher7 said:
The only thing outside a foundry, other than a cutting or welding torch. I guess you missed that part.

Do you understand this part?

As soon as the metal liquefied it would flow away from the heat source under the force of gravity. Therefore, the color of the liquid flowing from the 82nd floor was at approximately the melting point of the metal.
Aluminum melts at about 1220[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F
The metal flowing out of the south tower was in the 2400-2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F range.
And therefore, it was molten iron from steel.

The other possibilities are:
Melting point
2240[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F manganese
2590[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F silicone
2650[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F nickle
2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F cobalt
2750[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F chromium

These metals or silicone would not be found in enough quantity to be the molten metal in the video.
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Are you sure it's not orange sherbert? I think it's orange sherbert. Did you taste it to be sure?
 
Christopher7 said:
My bad.
The metal flowing out of the south tower was in the 2400-2700[FONT="]°[/FONT]F range.
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People that claim to be able to discern temperatures from pictures of material with unknown exact composition found on the the internet, taken under unknown lighting and with with unknown camera equipment and post-processing are making ◊◊◊◊ up or are parroting the claims of others that make ◊◊◊◊ up.
 
GlennB said:
Why did it turn silver/grey as it fell and cooled? This is not what one would expect of molten iron solidifying.
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It didn't turn silver/gray. That's just due to the poor quality of the video.

You are ignoring the facts:
As soon as the metal liquefied it would flow away from the heat source under the force of gravity. Therefore, the color of the liquid flowing from the 82nd floor was at approximately the melting point of the metal.
Aluminum melts at about 1220[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F
The metal flowing out of the south tower was in the 2400-2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F range.
And therefore, it was NOT ALUMINUM.
 
Christopher7 said:
It didn't turn silver/gray. That's just due to the poor quality of the video.

You are ignoring the facts:
As soon as the metal liquefied it would flow away from the heat source under the force of gravity. Therefore, the color of the liquid flowing from the 82nd floor was at approximately the melting point of the metal.
Aluminum melts at about 1220[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F
The metal flowing out of the south tower was in the 2400-2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F range.
And therefore, it was NOT ALUMINUM.
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So, the video is of good enough quality to be able to compare to a color spectrum and determine it is steel, yet poor enough that a viewer can not determine whether it turned silver/gray? Are you for real?
 
BigAl said:
You and Mr. Chastain use "assume" differently.

Mr. Chastain, NIST and anyone that is intellectually honest uses "assume" and words like them as a conclusion and and in the context of an opinion illuminated by facts and investigation and thought. They can, if asked, explain why they assume what they assume and why they have ruled out alternative hypotheses and explain why. They can answer questions and provide clarification.
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assume: suppose something
to accept that something is true without checking or confirming it
 
Christopher7 said:
assume: suppose something
to accept that something is true without checking or confirming it
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Well, that's certainly what YOU do.

Real experts, on the other hand, can assume something is true because all the evidence points to it and therefore is no reason to assume otherwise. The reason why they can't say it's true outright is because rational people, when faced with compelling evidence their theories need to be adjusted may have to adjust them. Or even abandon them.

Your failure, even though you will refuse to accept it, is to not have provided ANY of this compelling evidence that would force people who actually know what they are talking about say, "hey, you know, that Chris guy might have a point. Let's investigate".

Until I see evidence that ANY real expert or group of experts are saying that you can try to shove your 'theories' down my throat as much as you want. I ain't biting.
 
Disbelief said:
So, the video is of good enough quality to be able to compare to a color spectrum and determine it is steel, yet poor enough that a viewer can not determine whether it turned silver/gray? Are you for real?
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As the molten metal broke up into small parts it washed out in the graininess of the video.
The molten metal is clearly orange to yellow as it exits the building. Although the color chart is approximate, the molten metal is clearly in the 2400-2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F range, far above the melting point of aluminum.
 
Christopher7 said:
As the molten metal broke up into small parts it washed out in the graininess of the video.
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Can you give some vague indication of meaning here? Because it looks like you're just saying that stuff that supports your ideas can be trusted entirely, and anything that contradicts them can simply be handwaved away with some nonsense phrases.

Dave
 
Christopher7 said:
As the molten metal broke up into small parts it washed out in the graininess of the video.
The molten metal is clearly orange to yellow as it exits the building. Although the color chart is approximate, the molten metal is clearly in the 2400-2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F range, far above the melting point of aluminum.
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Wow, just wow. I have watched your posts since I have gotten here, but this is further off the deepend than I thought you could go. Dave Rogers nails it, but I am still in awe of your handwaving. Totally amazing.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Can you give some vague indication of meaning here? Because it looks like you're just saying that stuff that supports your ideas can be trusted entirely, and anything that contradicts them can simply be handwaved away with some nonsense phrases.

Dave
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You are ignoring the point.
The molten metal is clearly orange to yellow as it exits the building. Although the color chart is approximate, the molten metal is clearly in the 2400-2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F range, far above the melting point of aluminum.
 
Christopher7 said:
You are ignoring the point.
The molten metal is clearly orange to yellow as it exits the building. Although the color chart is approximate, the molten metal is clearly in the 2400-2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F range, far above the melting point of aluminum.
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No, you are ignoring the point. You stated that the video was of poor enough quality that a viewer could not discern silver/gray, yet at the same time was of high enough quality that a viewer could make an educated guess of the temperature based on color. How is this possible? Either the video is good enough to tell color through an entire spectrum, or it is so poor that no conclusive information can be discovered.
 
BigAl said:
People that claim to be able to discern temperatures from pictures of material with unknown exact composition found on the the internet, taken under unknown lighting and with with unknown camera equipment and post-processing are making ◊◊◊◊ up or are parroting the claims of others that make ◊◊◊◊ up.
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NIST is making ◊◊◊◊ up.
Organic material cannot mix with molten aluminum.

Their own experiment verified Steven Jone's similar experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdkyaO56OY
 
Christopher7 said:
You are ignoring the point.
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Let me just highlight the point.

Christopher7 said:
The molten metal is clearly orange to yellow as it exits the building. Although the color chart is approximate, the molten metal is clearly in the 2400-2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F range, far above the melting point of aluminum.
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You seem to be the only one who's not getting it.

Dave
 
Disbelief said:
No, you are ignoring the point. You stated that the video was of poor enough quality that a viewer could not discern silver/gray, yet at the same time was of high enough quality that a viewer could make an educated guess of the temperature based on color. How is this possible? Either the video is good enough to tell color through an entire spectrum, or it is so poor that no conclusive information can be discovered.
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You ignored the part where I said:
"As the molten metal broke up into small parts it washed out in the graininess of the video."

You are being willfully stupid in a vain attempt to deny the FACT that:
"The molten metal is clearly orange to yellow as it exits the building."
 
Christopher7 said:
You ignored the part where I said:
"As the molten metal broke up into small parts it washed out in the graininess of the video."
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Once again, I have ignored nothing that you have said. Why should I believe your video analysis when you have no education on the subject. Because you believe it does not make it so.

You are being willfully stupid in a vain attempt to deny the FACT that:
"The molten metal is clearly orange to yellow as it exits the building."
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Excuse me. You have some nerve considering your uneducated and pathetic efforts in light of the expert opinions in this and other threads. You are the willfully stupid one, as you demonstrate on a daily basis. Your confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance are rearing their ugly heads again.
 
Summary time, what is the point?
The OP has no real point. No conclusion was stated in the OP save some lies, hearsay and fantasy implications of what?

The initial statements in the OP are lies and hearsay. The one person who was talking first person, had his eyes closed imagining what he saw. Eyes closed. Chris posts a lie about Robertson the Chief structural engineer of the WTC towers who thinks thermite is the sign of some nut case ideas. The chief engineer and the OP posts a lie about what he said. The OP was wrong, the rest is delusional posts about cherry picked quote, imaginary meteorites of molten WTC, and solid glowing stuff Chris wants to be liquid steel.
 
Christopher7 said:
Are you denying that the molten metal was orange to yellow as it exited the building?
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What I want to know is how a modest amount of molten metal seen coming out of only one part of one floor and not seen anywhere else in the approximate 3 million square feet of WTC wall tells us anything about how and why the towers collapsed.

Relevancy to the cause of collapse is especially curios and problematic since the molten metal was seen was unique in that the location was exactly where the wreckage of the plane landed and where a corporate uninterpretable power system (UPS) was located. The UPS contained tons of lead and countless kilowatt hours of stored energy that would be perfect to serve as an arc furnace when hit by the airplane.

The airplane also carried emergency oxygen generators. These have been associated with aircraft fires in at least one other case I know if.

Whatever that molten metal was, it has nothing to do with understanding the cause of the collapse of the WTC towers.
 
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