[Moderated]Pentagon Struck By Tomahawk Missile 'AND' A PLANE

[Terral]

Senor Bushie And His Lapdogs Take The Grand Prize :0)

Hi Drudgewire:

Welcome to Drudge’s chat room . . .

Drudge >> Do you guys have contests to see who can come up with the dumbest twists on the already dumb CTs?

How about the one about 9/11 being carried out by a bunch of Bearded Jihadist Radicals using box cutters? That is the Official Government CT that many here have bought hook, line and sinker. Guess what this is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

Do you recognize this? This is what you guys call a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner. Is that funny or what?

Box cutters and empty fields . . . Who can beat that for the contest? Heh . . .

GL,

Terral

Terral you are violating Rule 11 by attempting to derail this discussion into a discussion of Flight 93. Cease and desist.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

 

[Pardalis]

Care to answer the questions people have asked you about your theory about the Pentagon?

 

[Drudgewire]

Hi Drudgewire:

Welcome to Drudge’s chat room . . .

If you're wearing a stitch of clothing, you are violating rule 1 of the Drudgewire chat room.

 

[DGM]

Hi Drudgewire:

Welcome to Drudge’s chat room . . .




How about the one about 9/11 being carried out by a bunch of Bearded Jihadist Radicals using box cutters? That is the Official Government CT that many here have bought hook, line and sinker. Guess what this is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

[qimg]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/93crash2.jpg[/qimg]

Do you recognize this? This is what you guys call a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner. Is that funny or what?

[qimg]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif[/qimg]

Box cutters and empty fields . . . Who can beat that for the contest? Heh . . .

GL,

Terral

Still ignoring the fact that they pulled 95% of the plane out of that hole. Spin that "twoofer"

 

[WildCat]

Terral,

I shall not comment on your brother, or the other remarkable "claims" made above. But I cannot let post such as yours pass without making this, for you, the intensely personal issue it is for me. Nearly every night, I get to relive that day in some manner.

I was in the Pentagon when the plane struck. Within a few minutes, I was outside the impact area, providing what tiny service I could. I held, in my hands, parts of that airliner. Me. Personally.

Therefore, for your claim to be true, you must personally and directly call me either a liar or a dupe. So please do so. Tell me I'm a liar, or a fool.

if this sounds personal, it is because it is. It's not arbitrary photos and FDR disputes for me, it is very real, very personal. Call me a liar, or stand down.

Don't dodge it Terral!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

imho, we're dealing with a Turing-machine running against a CT db. It won't be able to answer Hal in the same way you won't get an answer from a chatbot if you ask it, "Which do you like better; an orange?"

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Don't dodge it Terral!

Exactly.

I'd like Terral to answer Lt. Col. Bidlack's question.

Is he a liar or a dupe, Terral?

And FWIW, I can state that I've communicate with Lt. Colonel Bidlack in the past via the "af.mil.gov" network, just in case you doubt he was Air Force.

 

[PhantomWolf]

The part of the pentagon that was hit was nearly empty

Try telling that to the families of the people below:

Craig Scott Amundson, Specialist, United States Army
Max Bielke, Master Sergeant, United States Army
Kris Romeo Bishundat, Systems Technician, United States Navy
Mary Jane Booth, United States Army Spouse
Jose Orlando Calderon, Sr., Sergeant, United States Army
Canfield D. Boone, Colonel, United States Army
Angelene C. Carter, Army Spouse & Government Employee
John J. Chada, Sergeant, United States Army
Rosemary Chapa, Military Spouse & Government Employee
Julian T. Cooper, Contractor, United States Navy
Eric Allen Cranford, Commander, United States Navy
Ada Davis, Department of the Army
Gerald G. DeConto, Captain, United States Navy
Charles Droz, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy & Company President
Patrick Dunn, Commander, United States Navy
Robert Randolph Elseth, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy
Dana Falkenberg, Civilian Child - Unidentified
Amelia Virginia Fields, Military Spouse & Government Employee
Sandra Hill Foster, Army Spouse And Government Employee
Richard Peter Gabriel, Sr., First Lieuetnant, United States Marine Corps
Lawrence D. Getzfred, Captain, United States Navy
Ronald Golinski, Colonel, United States Army - Unidentified
Carolyn Halmon, Military Spouse & Government Employee
Ronald J. Hemenway, United States Navy - Unidentified
Wallace Cole Hogan, Jr., Major, United States Army
Jimmie Ira Holley, Sergeant, United States Army (Retired) Government Employee
Stephen Neil Hyland, Jr., Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Robert Joseph Hymel, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Air Force
Lacey B. Ivory, Sergeant Major, United States Army
Dennis M. Johnson, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Michael Scott Lamana, Lieutenant, United States Navy
Stephen Vernon Long, Major, United States Army
James T. Lynch, Navy Employee - Unidentified
Dean E. Mattson, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Timothy J. Maude, Lieutenant General, United States Army
Patricia E. Mickley, Government Employee
Ronald D. Milam, Major, United States Army
Gerald P. Moran, United States Navy (Ret) & Government Employee
Brian Anthony Moss, Petty Officer Second Class, United States Navy
Patrick Jude Murphy, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy
Clifford Patterson, Jr., Major, United States Army
Deborah A. Ramsaur, Military Spouse & Government Employee
Rhonda Ridge Rasmussen, Department of the Army Employee - Unidentified
Robert Erroll Russell, Sr., Sergeant Major, United States Army
Charles E. Sabin, Captain, United States Army - Government Employee
Marjorie Champion Salamone, Army Spouse & Government Employee
David Scales, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Robert Allan Schlegel, Commander, United States Navy
Janice Marie Scott, Army Spouse & Government Employee
Michael L. Selves, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Dan F. Shanower, Commander, United States Navy
Gregg Harold Smallwood, Chief Information Systems Technician, United States Navy
Gary F. Smith, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Larry L. Strickland,Sergeant Major, United States Army
Kip Paul Taylor, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Karl W. Teepe, United States Army Retired & Government Employee
Otis Vincent Tolbert, Lieuenant Commander, United States Navy
Ronald James Vauk, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy
Meta Fuller Waller, Military Widow & Government Employee
Chin Sun Pak Wells, Specialist, United States Army
Maudlyn White, Sergeant, United States Army
Sandra White, Army Spouse & Government Employee
David L. Williams, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy
Dwayne Williams, Major, United States Army
Marvin Roger Woods, Chief, United States Navy
Donald McArthur Young, ITC, United States Navy

 

[Drudgewire]

Terral,

I shall not comment on your brother, or the other remarkable "claims" made above. But I cannot let post such as yours pass without making this, for you, the intensely personal issue it is for me. Nearly every night, I get to relive that day in some manner.

I was in the Pentagon when the plane struck. Within a few minutes, I was outside the impact area, providing what tiny service I could. I held, in my hands, parts of that airliner. Me. Personally.

Therefore, for your claim to be true, you must personally and directly call me either a liar or a dupe. So please do so. Tell me I'm a liar, or a fool.

if this sounds personal, it is because it is. It's not arbitrary photos and FDR disputes for me, it is very real, very personal. Call me a liar, or stand down.

Is this a Troll?

I do believe I will accept my eyes and ears and the effort I spent helping to get people out of the Pentagon that day over this silly silly person.

The first explosion was NOT followed by another one, people were really freaking out and another explosion would have pushed not a few of them over the edge even further.

The BIG hole in the Pentagon was covering my office in the Pentagon where I had worked for 4 years, I worked another 3 afterwards before leaving.

It is getting tiresome reading garbage after garbage by people that refuse to see real truth. And yeah I can back this up, I was there, I lost friends, Shut up!

Try telling that to the families of the people below:

Craig Scott Amundson, Specialist, United States Army
Max Bielke, Master Sergeant, United States Army
Kris Romeo Bishundat, Systems Technician, United States Navy
Mary Jane Booth, United States Army Spouse
Jose Orlando Calderon, Sr., Sergeant, United States Army
Canfield D. Boone, Colonel, United States Army
Angelene C. Carter, Army Spouse & Government Employee
John J. Chada, Sergeant, United States Army
Rosemary Chapa, Military Spouse & Government Employee
Julian T. Cooper, Contractor, United States Navy
Eric Allen Cranford, Commander, United States Navy
Ada Davis, Department of the Army
Gerald G. DeConto, Captain, United States Navy
Charles Droz, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy & Company President
Patrick Dunn, Commander, United States Navy
Robert Randolph Elseth, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy
Dana Falkenberg, Civilian Child - Unidentified
Amelia Virginia Fields, Military Spouse & Government Employee
Sandra Hill Foster, Army Spouse And Government Employee
Richard Peter Gabriel, Sr., First Lieuetnant, United States Marine Corps
Lawrence D. Getzfred, Captain, United States Navy
Ronald Golinski, Colonel, United States Army - Unidentified
Carolyn Halmon, Military Spouse & Government Employee
Ronald J. Hemenway, United States Navy - Unidentified
Wallace Cole Hogan, Jr., Major, United States Army
Jimmie Ira Holley, Sergeant, United States Army (Retired) Government Employee
Stephen Neil Hyland, Jr., Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Robert Joseph Hymel, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Air Force
Lacey B. Ivory, Sergeant Major, United States Army
Dennis M. Johnson, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Michael Scott Lamana, Lieutenant, United States Navy
Stephen Vernon Long, Major, United States Army
James T. Lynch, Navy Employee - Unidentified
Dean E. Mattson, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Timothy J. Maude, Lieutenant General, United States Army
Patricia E. Mickley, Government Employee
Ronald D. Milam, Major, United States Army
Gerald P. Moran, United States Navy (Ret) & Government Employee
Brian Anthony Moss, Petty Officer Second Class, United States Navy
Patrick Jude Murphy, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy
Clifford Patterson, Jr., Major, United States Army
Deborah A. Ramsaur, Military Spouse & Government Employee
Rhonda Ridge Rasmussen, Department of the Army Employee - Unidentified
Robert Erroll Russell, Sr., Sergeant Major, United States Army
Charles E. Sabin, Captain, United States Army - Government Employee
Marjorie Champion Salamone, Army Spouse & Government Employee
David Scales, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Robert Allan Schlegel, Commander, United States Navy
Janice Marie Scott, Army Spouse & Government Employee
Michael L. Selves, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Dan F. Shanower, Commander, United States Navy
Gregg Harold Smallwood, Chief Information Systems Technician, United States Navy
Gary F. Smith, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Larry L. Strickland,Sergeant Major, United States Army
Kip Paul Taylor, Lieutenant Colonel, United States Army
Karl W. Teepe, United States Army Retired & Government Employee
Otis Vincent Tolbert, Lieuenant Commander, United States Navy
Ronald James Vauk, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy
Meta Fuller Waller, Military Widow & Government Employee
Chin Sun Pak Wells, Specialist, United States Army
Maudlyn White, Sergeant, United States Army
Sandra White, Army Spouse & Government Employee
David L. Williams, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy
Dwayne Williams, Major, United States Army
Marvin Roger Woods, Chief, United States Navy
Donald McArthur Young, ITC, United States Navy

It's so easy to get caught up in the idiocy of threads like this. My sincere thanks for reminding a goofball like me this really isn't very funny.

 

[1337m4n]

Terral, you have ignored my posts because...?

Furthermore, your theory about the light poles being knocked down by a "bow shockwave" is bunk. A bow shockwave only occurs at supersonic speeds. But the Tomahawk missile's top speed is only 550 miles per hour.

How do you explain this contradiction?


Also, how do you explain the fact that not a single eyewitness saw two impacts? Surely, there must have been curious people hanging around the scene after the first impact--particularly Lyte Trip's Magic Four?

 

[leftysergeant]

I can see why some peoiple might take offense at jokes about what happened on 9/11, especially when it involves fire fighting operations. You need to bear in mind that, when you must deal every day with the possibility that a mistake may make an ash of you, you have to be able to casually dismiss the possibility of your own death. At least, we must, on some level, dismiss that fear. It's always there, in the back of your mind, no mattter what you may tell yourself. What matters is what you make of it.

You have to approach fire fighting with a BLEEP happens attitude. Most of the time, your training can carry you through it all. If it doesn't, oh, well. You've still accomplished more than the average entrepeneurial schlub ever does, and you have proven yourself more than more than half of congress ever has.

I just wonder how many of the twoofers have ever put themselves to such a test.

 

[Terral]

Please Try Again When You Do Find One Picture Of Flight 77 Crashed Anywhere. GL

Hi Dave:

Dave >> Your reference point "just above the horizon" is part way up a stand of trees, so at the very least it's several feet and more likely several tens of feet above the viewing point.

At the very least? Several feet? More likely? Heh . . . :0) Please forgive, but your commentary here lacks an illustration, geometric figure or any sign of an algebraic equation; much less a solution that is applicable to ANYTHING. Let’s try a picture with a few less lines:

Just so we have some points of reference: The distance from this security camera to the right-hand column is 19 feet (Goggle Earth), but we can round that up to 20 feet. Our missile impacted the E-Ring wall 550 feet from this Security Camera and the distant trees next to the Interstate are 1800 feet away from this location. Everyone can see the top of the right-hand column is ‘not’ above the trees by any stretch of the imagination. If you will look at the two white horizontal lines atop and at the bottom of the flying object, you will see even the upper line is below the tall trees on the left, as they even stick up above the “Horizon” sign. My ‘low’ line under the missile is actually ‘level’ with the grass/tree line directly to the ‘left’ of the column, as the white line by “Horizon” splits those two lines right down the middle. You could possibly have a case if the top of that column were up in the blue sky or down in the green grass, which it clearly IS NOT. The DoD security personnel did the job of leveling the camera for us, when the camera was installed in the first place. The right-hand column just happens to be 5 feet tall to share the common Horizontal X-Axis Plane with this camera lens, that point 1800 feet away on the horizon and the nose of our approaching missile. You have NO CASE for any of these points being out of line at all.

Dave >> Coupled with no eyewitness evidence of an A-3 or a Tomahawk missile . . .

Coupled with NOTHING, because your post contains NOTHING but opinion supported by NOTHING at all and we all know it. You are looking a the missile right here in the Security Camera frames flying exactly 5 feet off the ground with over twice the ‘clearance’ underneath. The only problem with this picture is Dave has no clue as to what that even means. Right? :0) Please allow me to try and help you: If the nose of your flying object is at 5 feet and the belly is dragging the ground, then guess the diameter? Give up? The answer is 10 feet. How did we get that David? ½X = 5 feet. Why did we use ½X ? The answer is became the 5 feet dimension is at the nose or the ‘center’ and half the missile is on top and the other half is underneath. :0) Do you see any clearance at all under that missile, David? Please take good gander again and try to determine the ‘ratio’ between the missile ‘diameter’ AND the amount of space you see UNDER THE MISSILE. How about if we compromise and say the clearance underneath is twice the diameter? Fair? This picture ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/LloydsShock.jpg ) shows more, but this is just an exercise. Right? Let’s do the math again and see what happens. Sound fair? Okay then: ½X + 2X = 5 feet. We used 2X this time, because the clearance is ‘twice’ the diameter of the flying object. Here is the solution:

½X + 2X = 5 feet
X + 4X = 10 feet
5X = 10 feet
X = 2 feet

Any object flying five feet off the ground with twice the diameter size underneath is ‘2 feet in diameter’ no matter how you cut the mustard. Anyone saying this is a 100-Ton Jetliner cannot do 8th grade math. :0)

David . . . over 100 eyewitness reports consistent with a 757 and a complete lack of parts of an A3 or a Tomahawk at the scene of the crash

Anything sounds easy if you say it fast enough, but you still have ZERO pictures of a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed anywhere and you know it.

You are looking for one of these babies with a pair of 5.5-ton engines with the rest of the 100-Ton Jetliner.

Are you starting to see my problem? There were actual photographers running around taking pictures and we have lots of these kinds of shots with firemen spraying water around and people chatting together and whatnot. How many of these people look ready to run and save anybody from a burning crashed Jetliner? :0) Where would you put such a thing even if you had one available and ready to go? How about answering a question for me: If I came to you and showed you this picture 10 years ago and said, “Hey, David, this is a picture of a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner, would you think I was out of my cotton picking mind? :0) How about if I then starting calling you names for actually having the audacity to disagree?

Suppose I was the one back in 1997 jumping up and down trying to FORCE you into believing all these Pentagon people are standing on the site where a 155-feet long and 125-feet wide and almost 50-feet tall 100-Jetliner crashed going 533 miles per hour? I am willing to bet at least one person here would offer at least one objection and say, “Hey, but wait a minute – where is the cotton picking PLANE? To sit there and ramble off opinion with NO EVIDENCE for anything is not helping your case at all anymore than mine would be helped back in 1997 standing in the same shoes. One of us is being ridiculous and I thing some of our readers know the party by his name. :0) I also apologize for having to cut off your comments, but you refuse to take a breath with these ‘run-on’ sentences . . .

Dave >> . . . plus the otherwise unexplained absence of flight 77 or presence of the passengers' DNA at the scene, I would have to conclude that I've already paid more attention to this tissue of speculation and fantasy than it ever warranted in the first place. Thank you for playing.

Heh . . . Okay then, thank you for offering your unsupported opinions. That kind of thing might be convincing to someone, but I will believe a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in the empty field outside Shanksville and into the Pentagon when someone coughs up some evidence. Obviously in all these years nobody has shown me one picture of Flight 93 or Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE. Do you know why? I do. That is because none exist, except of in the vain imaginations of men . . .

GL,

Terral

 

[Pardalis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens

 

[A W Smith]

terral are you going to answer THIS POST?

 

[jhunter1163]

[quote:] Suppose I was the one back in 1997 <snip> [\quote]

[quote:] To sit there and ramble off opinion with NO EVIDENCE for anything is not helping your case at all anymore than mine would be helped back in 1997 standing in the same shoes. [\quote]

The attacks were in 2001. Can't you get ANYTHING right?

 

[PhantomWolf]

Please Try Again When You Do Find One Picture Of Flight 77 Crashed Anywhere. GL

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

You're welcome.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Suppose I was the one back in 1997 <snip>

To sit there and ramble off opinion with NO EVIDENCE for anything is not helping your case at all anymore than mine would be helped back in 1997 standing in the same shoes.

The attacks were in 2001. Can't you get ANYTHING right?

Darn, there goes my belief that all the CTs at least actually knew the date of the attacks.....

 

[Terral]

Tomahawk Missiles Create Waves Just Like Your Boat On A Fishing Trip

Hi Funk:

Funk >> Why would a Tomohawk missile have a bow shockwave? You have ignored my earlier posts why is that?

Why bother if this thread is going to be trashed too? Why not spend my time on a Board where everyone is treated fairly and our work is not thrown away? A Tomahawk Missile creates a bow shockwave around the nose for the same reason your boat creates waves when you go fishing. Can you imagine your kid saying, ‘Hey dad, why does the boat make waves?’ Try to come up with something that sounds good. :0) Stand out by the highway when the cars go by really fast and see what happens, the multiply that by ten times or more. Remember these are 'breakaway' light poles designed to 'snap off.' You have obviously heard of the ‘sound barrier’ at some point in your life. Here is a good basic site that does not require knowledge of fluid mechanics:

http://wilk4.com/misc/soundbreak.htm

For years everyone though nobody could break the sound barrier, because so much energy is transmitted from the engines to the growing bow shockwave when approaching the speed of sound. More force transferred to the shockwave means less power to propel the plane or missile forward. If you really want to know more about shockwaves from flying objects, the you might think about searching the internet on the subject.

http://selair.selkirk.bc.ca/aerodynamics1/High-Speed/Page2d.html

This site has a table of contents on various related topics. BTW, I am here to defend my OP thesis against ‘valid’ arguments contained in counterproposals or any form of rebuttal. This is not the “Let’s ask Terral 20 questions thread,” as if I am required to answer two-sentence posts. Please quote me to show errors or present your case for something else using some kind of EVIDENCE to support ANYTHING, so we can have a nice debate.

GL,

Terral

 

[twinstead]

Hi Funk:




Why bother if this thread is going to be trashed too? Why not spend my time on a Board where everyone is treated fairly and our work is not thrown away? A Tomahawk Missile creates a bow shockwave around the nose for the same reason your boat creates waves when you go fishing. Can you imagine your kid saying, ‘Hey dad, why does the boat make waves?’ Try to come up with something that sounds good. :0) Stand out by the highway when the cars go by really fast and see what happens, the multiply that by ten times or more. Remember these are 'breakaway' light poles designed to 'snap off.' You have obviously heard of the ‘sound barrier’ at some point in your life. Here is a good basic site that does not require knowledge of fluid mechanics:

http://wilk4.com/misc/soundbreak.htm

For years everyone though nobody could break the sound barrier, because so much energy is transmitted from the engines to the growing bow shockwave when approaching the speed of sound. More force transferred to the shockwave means less power to propel the plane or missile forward. If you really want to know more about shockwaves from flying objects, the you might think about searching the internet on the subject.

http://selair.selkirk.bc.ca/aerodynamics1/High-Speed/Page2d.html

This site has a table of contents on various related topics. BTW, I am here to defend my OP thesis against ‘valid’ arguments contained in counterproposals or any form of rebuttal. This is not the “Let’s ask Terral 20 questions thread,” as if I am required to answer two-sentence posts. Please quote me to show errors or present your case for something else using some kind of EVIDENCE to support ANYTHING, so we can have a nice debate.

GOD you're exasperating!

Now, comment on this:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911p...videncesummary

that was given to you just a few posts above.

 

[jhunter1163]

PhantomWolf: Thanks for fixing my quotes. I never was very good with that function.