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[Moderated]Pentagon Struck By Tomahawk Missile 'AND' A PLANE

Terral said:
Hi ZENS and Funk:




Your question sounds funny, as if the Department of Defense has no ‘defense system’ for the most heavily guarded military installation in the world! The US Military does not advertise the Pentagon’s Defense Network to just anybody. My bother just happens to be a Navy man and he knows nothing on earth can approach and strike the Pentagon, unless someone on the ‘inside’ turns off the system. The Pentagon had the Phalanx Close-In Weapons System ( http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=800&ct=2 ) when he was in the navy years ago. That does not even begin to talk about the five anti-missile batteries:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm




The Pentagon Security Network becomes hot and active when commercial jets are ordered down ‘and’ a blip on the radar turns off the transponder. Everything you ever read about Dick Cheney’s and Donald Rumsfeld’s 9/11 “Stand Down” ( http://dodprotocol911.0catch.com/ ) orders have to do with disabling the Pentagon Defense System Security Grid, which allowed the E-Ring wall to be struck not once, but twice within a 5 minute period. After all, if the DoD Defense Network was up and running like normal, nothing on earth could possibly hit the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. The fact that you appear to know ‘nothing’ at all about DoD ‘defense’ (heh) capabilities is a little bit funny.

[qimg]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif[/qimg]

Heh . . . That little guy cracks a 911Truther up. :0)

Terral
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So what does your brother do in the Navy? Where exactly are those Phalanx at the Pentagon? I've been close to them before and they are not the smallest things in the world.
 
Terral said:
Hi ZENS and Funk:




Your question sounds funny, as if the Department of Defense has no ‘defense system’ for the most heavily guarded military installation in the world! The US Military does not advertise the Pentagon’s Defense Network to just anybody. My bother just happens to be a Navy man and he knows nothing on earth can approach and strike the Pentagon, unless someone on the ‘inside’ turns off the system. The Pentagon had the Phalanx Close-In Weapons System ( http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=800&ct=2 ) when he was in the navy years ago. That does not even begin to talk about the five anti-missile batteries:
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Nothing can approach the Pentagon? It is right next to the freaking airport! The Pentagon airspace gets more traffic than Paris Hilton on a Friday night.
 
Is this a Troll?

I do believe I will accept my eyes and ears and the effort I spent helping to get people out of the Pentagon that day over this silly silly person.

The first explosion was NOT followed by another one, people were really freaking out and another explosion would have pushed not a few of them over the edge even further.

The BIG hole in the Pentagon was covering my office in the Pentagon where I had worked for 4 years, I worked another 3 afterwards before leaving.

It is getting tiresome reading garbage after garbage by people that refuse to see real truth. And yeah I can back this up, I was there, I lost friends, Shut up!
 
JamesB said:
The Pentagon airspace gets more traffic than Paris Hilton on a Friday night.
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I know of one occasion where it got even more traffic than that: between 9:32 and 9:37 AM on 9/11, in front of the Pentagon (literally).
 
Lanzy said:
Is this a Troll?

I do believe I will accept my eyes and ears and the effort I spent helping to get people out of the Pentagon that day over this silly silly person.

The first explosion was NOT followed by another one, people were really freaking out and another explosion would have pushed not a few of them over the edge even further.

The BIG hole in the Pentagon was covering my office in the Pentagon where I had worked for 4 years, I worked another 3 afterwards before leaving.

It is getting tiresome reading garbage after garbage by people that refuse to see real truth. And yeah I can back this up, I was there, I lost friends, Shut up!
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Any bets as to how long until this gentlemen gets called a "government shill" by one of the Truthers.
One of the most disgusitng things about the Truthers is the way they shed Crocidile tears over the victims and survivors of 9/11, while attacking..often to the point of being disgusting...any survivor who dares to tell them they are full of it.
 
Terral,

I shall not comment on your brother, or the other remarkable "claims" made above. But I cannot let post such as yours pass without making this, for you, the intensely personal issue it is for me. Nearly every night, I get to relive that day in some manner.

I was in the Pentagon when the plane struck. Within a few minutes, I was outside the impact area, providing what tiny service I could. I held, in my hands, parts of that airliner. Me. Personally.

Therefore, for your claim to be true, you must personally and directly call me either a liar or a dupe. So please do so. Tell me I'm a liar, or a fool.

if this sounds personal, it is because it is. It's not arbitrary photos and FDR disputes for me, it is very real, very personal. Call me a liar, or stand down.
 
JamesB said:
Nothing can approach the Pentagon? It is right next to the freaking airport! The Pentagon airspace gets more traffic than Paris Hilton on a Friday night.
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Amen. I asked about that exact topic awhile ago, and Apathoid posted an approach map showing...

apathoid said:
... an extended runway centerline right over the Pentagon, with no restrictions - and the low altitude chart for the DC area, which depicts no prohibited airspace above or around the Pentagon.
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Link: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2929657#post2929657

Here's the map, credit towards Apathoid for posting it:

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In short, I don't see how an air defense at the Pentagon would work, given all the legal, allowed traffic that flies over it dozens of times every day. I mean, how would it or its operators know which of the planes on approach are threatening, given that every plane approaching Reagan Int. would be flying practically right over the Pentagon?

But, that is an argument from credulity. Any member/ex-member of the military able to chime in on this? Despite my lack of experience, I believe I'm right, but I wouldn't mind some knowledgeable commentary or correction on this.
 
This is really quite fascinating in a "Beautiful Mind" way.

Terral, do you have an explanation as to why five light poles which were not the closest light poles to the Pentagon impact were the ones blown over in your "bow shockwave?
 
Terral cherry picks the posts he'll respond to the same way he cherry picks his evidence. Oh, and I'm not attacking him, I'm attacking his evidence gathering and debating methods.

And I second Hal Bidlack's request (Terral, in case you cherry picked over his post, he's one of the people who was there that day holding parts of the 757 in his hands - post 147 in this thread): Terral - call Hal a liar or stand down.

It takes a special kind of person to argue this garbage to the face of a person who was there. I've seen it before with troofers calling firemen liars and I'm seeing it again. It's unbelievable. This really is just for the lurkers, isn't it?
 
Terral said:
Hi ZENS and Funk:




Your question sounds funny, as if the Department of Defense has no ‘defense system’ for the most heavily guarded military installation in the world! The US Military does not advertise the Pentagon’s Defense Network to just anybody. My bother just happens to be a Navy man and he knows nothing on earth can approach and strike the Pentagon, unless someone on the ‘inside’ turns off the system. The Pentagon had the Phalanx Close-In Weapons System ( http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=800&ct=2 ) when he was in the navy years ago. That does not even begin to talk about the five anti-missile batteries:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm




The Pentagon Security Network becomes hot and active when commercial jets are ordered down ‘and’ a blip on the radar turns off the transponder. Everything you ever read about Dick Cheney’s and Donald Rumsfeld’s 9/11 “Stand Down” ( http://dodprotocol911.0catch.com/ ) orders have to do with disabling the Pentagon Defense System Security Grid, which allowed the E-Ring wall to be struck not once, but twice within a 5 minute period. After all, if the DoD Defense Network was up and running like normal, nothing on earth could possibly hit the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. The fact that you appear to know ‘nothing’ at all about DoD ‘defense’ (heh) capabilities is a little bit funny.

[qimg]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif[/qimg]

Heh . . . That little guy cracks a 911Truther up. :0)

Terral
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Nope. no missiles

certainly not next to an airport

try again
 
Terral - answer Hal from post #147.

I bet it will be harder for him to cherry pick over a post with a big font in it.
 
Terral said:
Hi Funk De Fino:

There are no lies in any of my words, Funk, and you know it. I make a few mistakes here and there, but that is why we have you to keep us on the straight and narrow. :0) BTW, I appreciate you pointing out my error on the Boeing Engines, even if that thread is in the garbage can.

GL,

Terral
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There are lies in your other post

Now there are just pathetic and ridiculous claims in this one, you avoided the question about why no-one saw the Tomahawk and that fact that it is not supersonic?

You answer nothing that destroys your fantasy

You are a Liar
 
The engine claim is truly bizarre. As noted, the A3s were never fitted with JT8s. The podded nacelle design might allow engines of different dimensions to be retrofitted (there's a 76" difference in length between the two), but there is no evidence at all that this was ever attempted. What of all the design and testing time required to integrate the new engines and ensure that the resulting combination would fly reliably (the JT8 has TWICE the thrust of the J57-P10)? What reason would there be for retaining the A3 airframe? Why not use an airliner or something that looks more like one?

If the perpetrators of a false flag were going to fit different engines to the putative stand-in aircraft, why would they put in the wrong type? Why wouldn't they use something that would leave behind one or more RR RB211s?

It makes absolutely zero sense. The mental backflips required to arrive at this "theory" are bewildering. All I can think is that some wally trying to get their own ID on what was apparently an engine happened to notice the junction of the combustion chamber on the JT8 on a picture, and hurried off to a museum to get "proof". Meanwhile, some other berk carries out the same half-arsed exercise on blurry images of white aircraft on 9/11 and for some reason picks a Skywarrior out of their Little Boy's Book of Aeroplanes. Et voila, the two hare-brained hypotheses are united without due regard to their mutual exclusivity.

Or, this is all just a big joke.
 
Terral said:
Hi ZENS and Funk:

Your question sounds funny, as if the Department of Defense has no ‘defense system’ for the most heavily guarded military installation in the world! The US Military does not advertise the Pentagon’s Defense Network to just anybody. My bother just happens to be a Navy man and he knows nothing on earth can approach and strike the Pentagon, unless someone on the ‘inside’ turns off the system. The Pentagon had the Phalanx Close-In Weapons System ( http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=800&ct=2 ) when he was in the navy years ago. That does not even begin to talk about the five anti-missile batteries:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm




The Pentagon Security Network becomes hot and active when commercial jets are ordered down ‘and’ a blip on the radar turns off the transponder. Everything you ever read about Dick Cheney’s and Donald Rumsfeld’s 9/11 “Stand Down” ( http://dodprotocol911.0catch.com/ ) orders have to do with disabling the Pentagon Defense System Security Grid, which allowed the E-Ring wall to be struck not once, but twice within a 5 minute period. After all, if the DoD Defense Network was up and running like normal, nothing on earth could possibly hit the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. The fact that you appear to know ‘nothing’ at all about DoD ‘defense’ (heh) capabilities is a little bit funny.

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Heh . . . That little guy cracks a 911Truther up. :0)

Terral
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5 dogs of super tripe, where did you dig up this junk?
 
Pardalis said:
What if something screwed up? What if the decoy fly-over plane was delayed, even slightly? Do you realize that if this is true, the conspirators had to execute their plan with milisecond accuracy or the whole thing would have been uncovered?
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Not to mention that one tourist with a Handycam could have sold the footage to CNN 15 minutes after it happened.
 
Pardalis said:
Terral, do you even realize how outrageous the level of complexity of your conspiracy theory is?

What if something screwed up? What if the decoy fly-over plane was delayed, even slightly? Do you realize that if this is true, the conspirators had to execute their plan with milisecond accuracy or the whole thing would have been uncovered?

Your narrative would have been rejected by the producers of 24 for lack or credibility.
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Yeah, and it is stupid, too.

Note that he's not interested in dealing with that giant gaping hole in his conspiracy theory. We're supposed to believe that there's some giant conspiracy that it both highly effective and capable and really really dumb all at the same time. The conspiracy was able to engineer this incredible and incredibly moronic plan, with idiotic precision. :confused:
 
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