[Moderated]Gravy's witness "summary" does not reflect reality.

Like I said, Lyte, the argument is not about who they are, where they live, who "got to them", but whether or not THEY TESTIFIED/ADMITTED to seeing the PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON...plain and simple.

80% of them could be FBI agents for all I care...the OP has to do with the witnesses actually testifying, and what the said, not who they are etc...

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Major Lincoln Leibner:

This quote and all the others I have listed, along with more, can be found here. I am sure Gravy's list is much longer than this one.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html
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"As he ran to an entrance, he heard jet engines and turned in time to see the American Airlines plane diving toward the building."

At or near an entrance would place about 77 ft of wall in front of him. Also there is a large tree at the corner (near the South parking lot) near the fenced/tarped off trailers. He also says the plane crashed into a helicopter-THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.

He is deducing the impact and embellishing as well.
 
T.A.M. said:
So he is a witness then....

TAM:)
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Really? Did he specify which side of the gas station the plane flew on?

How come he didn't see the "second" plane/jet that was shadowing/chasing and over the Pentagon at the time of the Explosion? How Come Deb Anlauf didn't see it?
 
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you are reading his mind, and speaking for him now. This is irrelivent. The OP is about how many of the 105 witnesses testified to seeing the plane hit the building. I do not care about your speculation on whether it was possible for him to see it or not...He testified/stated it.

If you wish to start another thread about the integrity, plausibility of the testimony, then feel free, but that is not related to the OP.

TAM:)
 
Lyte Trip said:
Really? Did he specify which side of the gas station the plane flew on?
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Reported. You have a thread already on this forum related to the "side of CITGO" the plane flew on.

This thread concerns which of the witnesses of those listed, actually specify the SAW THE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON.

Please try to stay on topic.

TAM:)
 
Lyte Trip said:
TAM and Walrus, I reported you both.
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*Bites nails and darts eyes about in nervous manner*

I'm not attempting to be nasty Lyte. Just saying you should take a step back from attempting to enforce your opinion on us lot, and try something different from this idea that is so beyond the reaches of science fiction and realism. I think you need a career in something closer to reality, ykno, to understand how things in the real world work.

It just isn't healthy to walk around believing that this is a world in which a working class taxi driver is willing to saw down a lampost and put his foot through his car window for the sake of a 757 roaring over a building rigged with a coinciding napalm explosion going off in a government building, all planted with bits of dead people's DNA and parts of planes. All except for one guy who spends a large quantity of time on an internet forum full of tedious, intellectually snobby blokes like ourselves. Rather than the New York Times for example. Given them a call?

I tell you all this as I am a nice bloke, and I fear you will look back in 20 years and realise you wasted your potential.
 
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T.A.M. said:
Reported. You have a thread already on this forum related to the "side of CITGO" the plane flew on.

This thread concerns which of the witnesses of those listed, actually specify the SAW THE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON.

Please try to stay on topic.

TAM:)
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TAM,

This is directly on topic. This is regarding the accounts that gravy claims as genuine proof of seeing an official flight path impact. We are showing you how it is not. We are showing you the problem in their accounts and showing how they are not proof of an impact from the South side of the Citgo and over a bridge knocking down 5 light poles and hitting a generator trailer with it's right engine/wing.

So please, save your reporting for insults. Reporting to restrict me and give yourself an unfair advantage is only hurting your cause.

-Lyte:)
 
Lyte,

Kindly explain why ANYONE who wasn't at or directly next to the Citgo would use it as a point of reference when describing where the plane came from? And how you can use this as evidence?
 
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Lyte Trip said:
TAM,

This is directly on topic. This is regarding the accounts that gravy claims as genuine proof of seeing an official flight path impact. We are showing you how it is not. We are showing you the problem in their accounts and showing how they are not proof of an impact from the South side of the Citgo and over a bridge knocking down 5 light poles and hitting a generator trailer with it's right engine/wing.

So please, save your reporting for insults. Reporting to restrict me and give yourself an unfair advantage is only hurting your cause.

-Lyte:)
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Last I checked, there were no restrictions on "Reporting" and you know full well that you pulled that card first. I had not reported you one single time since I have been on JREF, and trust me, you have had plenty of posts in the past that would warrant it.

My point is this. You have made several posts telling people to stay on topic, and that the topic was Gravy's list, and of the 105 how many had actually stated they had seen the plane hit the pentagon. Whether you consider the credibility of the witnesses good or not, is not ON TOPIC. It may be, to you related, but to others it is not.

Like I said, if you want to start a thread discussing the circumstances surround a witness in terms of their vantage point, or their background checks, then do so.

TAM:)
 
Lyte:
An observation I have made is that you seem to dismiss the witness testimony if they did not have a clear view of the impact. You don't seem to take into account that many of these witnesses would have seen the plane fly over. Do you ask them if they saw the plane miss the pentigon and fly away? And do you show all of your interviews (even the ones that disagree) in your report?
 
In all this plotting of distances, locations, angles and fields of view, I hope you all (especially the attention whore) realize that no one needs to have actually seen the impact.

All we need are eyewitnesses who were able to track the aircraft up to the point where it could not have avoided impact with the Pentagon.

All we need to do is determine the very last point at which a sharp yank on the control stick would have resulted in the aircraft successfully clearing the building. For an aircraft screaming in at 500 miles per hour this point will be quite far from the actual impact.

The upshot of this is that nearly all of the 105 witnesses are effectively back in play regardless of wether they saw the final impact or not.

Owned again, Lyte.
 
Can anyone please list the witnesses who saw the plane fly over the building?

Because all of Gravey's witnesses claims are backed up by the rest of the evidence, and unlike Luytes claim, it isn't based soley on eyewitness testimony.

So again, how many witnesses ACTUALLY SAW the plane fly OVER the pentagon. And I mean besides Lyte's witness who literally saw the plane hit the building and literally hit the generator in front of the building.n
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
In all this plotting of distances, locations, angles and fields of view, I hope you all (especially the attention whore) realize that no one needs to have actually seen the impact.

All we need are eyewitnesses who were able to track the aircraft up to the point where it could not have avoided impact with the Pentagon.

All we need to do is determine the very last point at which a sharp yank on the control stick would have resulted in the aircraft successfully clearing the building. For an aircraft screaming in at 500 miles per hour this point will be quite far from the actual impact.

The upshot of this is that nearly all of the 105 witnesses are effectively back in play regardless of wether they saw the final impact or not.

Owned again, Lyte.
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I've restated Sword_Of_Truth's point in normal-sized type, so that Lyte can respond if he's so inclined.

Also, might I suggest to Lyte and T.A.M. that you've both now made your respective points about reporting posts, and that further prosecution of any kind of reporting-duel will only anger the moderators, who might understandably see it as abuse of their services?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
I do believe, but could be corrected, that the number of witnesses that saw a JET AIRLINER FLY OVER THE PENTAGON at the time of the explosion are ZERO.

TAM:)
 
Myriad said:
I've restated Sword_Of_Truth's point in normal-sized type, so that Lyte can respond if he's so inclined.

Also, might I suggest to Lyte and T.A.M. that you've both now made your respective points about reporting posts, and that further prosecution of any kind of reporting-duel will only anger the moderators, who might understandably see it as abuse of their services?

Respectfully,
Myriad
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You are correct. I apologize to the moderators here publicly. My reporting was an attempt to show Lyte that he was frivilously reporting me for what were relatively benign posts, and that if I were to report him for every infraction of the rules on this subforum, the mods would be nerve wracked with said reporting.

TAM:)
 
7 pages of arguing with Lyte?

Why bother? He's considered a kook even by most twoofers!
 
Remember folks, the plane came in on the North side of the Citgo. There is no question about it.

You heard the witnesses who were there.
 
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