Whoop-de-doo. Forming a corporation is very simple.
300+ staff with offices in 20+ countries is not.
Here's the real question. Who owns this corp and where do it's profits go?
Jim & Nancy Dornan, wherever they want them to go.
If any of the upline have ownership in this corporation then your tool rebate schedule is just random paper as you have no idea how the profits from the tools are actually shared.
What they do with their profits is an entirely separate question to what money platinums and above earn from selling tools.
Given that this organization IS owned by the people at the top of the pyramid your entire screed here is nonsense.
That sentence was nonsense. The top of
what pyramid? In my Oz business the Dornans are nowhere in my upline. In the UK, where N21 spent more than $250K in legal fees during the BERR case, Dornan has no Amway business to speak of.
N21 services many many groups that are not in the Dornan's Amway business, and even more that are actually in their downline but so far in depth they may as well not be and they earn pretty much nothing from Amway from them.
Why the heck shouldn't they be allowed to profit by selling products and services to people who want them? Do you have the same problem with Tony Robbins or Amazon.com for that matter? Are they evil horrible companies for selling stuff to Amway IBOs and profiting from it?
They control the distribution of profits (they being which upline own the corp). Maybe all of the money goes into Jim Dornan's pocket? More likely he pays out bonuses to his big diamonds, the ones who have enough leverage to demand a large portion of the profits from their organization.
Nope. Most of the profits actually goes back in to the company. Over the last two decades it's primarily been funding international expansion. Each new country opened has required approximately a million bucks investment by N21. Lately that's slowed down and prices are dropping and value increasing, along with increased investment in technologies.
It's actually a beautiful system because it hides most of the tools profit yet still gives a veneer of legitamacy for people like yourself to cling to. These guys aren't dumb.
Veneer of legitimacy? Let's see - guy forms company to sell products and services. He sells products and services and makes a profit. He gives volume discounts to people who buy lots of his companies products and services. They can resell them also for a profit.
Oh yeah, that sounds like nothing but a little veneer .....
You are creating two seperate issues when there is only one. The profits are being obfuscated.
No, you are are trying to conflate two separate issues. There is profit for the BSM company, and there is profit for the people who buy and resell BSM products and services. I'm more than aware that in your little tiny part of the Amway world they were often the same, so it's understandable you're confused.
*chortle*. You are seriously deluded. I'm in the media business and our products are released all over the world in many languages including chinese, korean, efigs, russian etc. There are plenty of places to outsource translations and they are fairly inexpensive. Do they do full translation of all audio recordings? Or just subtitles?
Both and neither, depends on the market and product. But please, tell me how much it costs to have a CD recording edited, checked for compliance with Amway's byzantine rules, selected for sale, translated if necessary, packaged and marketed, and not of course forgetting unsold stock and all the recordings that go through this process and then are not used at all (the majority)
Bottom line, I know the media business and it's a very cheap business to run.
Relatively, yes, I agee, but it's just one aspect of a BSM company. Other areas are not so profitable. For example globally N21 often runs "open" meetings at a loss.
Yay. Incidentally how many people attended and what was the cost?
Didn't count, and significantly cheaper (and better) than comparable seminars from third party sources.
I don't disbelieve that you believe this but I think you're just putting up a mental block. Who gets the profit from the N21 tools business? Obfuscation is a beautiful thing isn't it?
Platinums and above share in volume rebates, just like Amway, and the owners of N21, the Dornans, decide what to do with any other profits.
Gimme a break. Seriously. Do you think we were all born yesterday? N21 has got to be making money hand over first. If you don't believe that the wealth is being spread amongst the kingpins of N21 you are simply living in la-la land.
No, you're living in la-la land. I know how the company operates. I'm friends with one of the executives who runs it (an employee). I also know what platinums and above get out of it.
You've shown zero in the way of verifiable information.
Which is just as much as as you've shown, but at least I've given actual real data, you've pretty much just ranted and raved.
Again, where does the money go from all of these sales? A rebate schedule that only pays out a portion of the money doesn't answer the question of where *all* of the money goes.
Much of it goes in expenses, some of it goes in investment, some of it goes to the owners -
just like any other business.
Using N21 as a catch-all and claiming they have expenses high enough to eat all of the money is a disgusting lie.
What's a disgusting lie is to say I ever claimed that. I never did, never even implied it.
So please, do fill is in on who own N21 and where any of it's profits go. Of course you aren't actually discussing any of this in good faith so you won't answer this question with anything by BS and spin.
Oh look, already answered it, and way before I even read this.
You are just as bad as the kingpins and I hope someday you can escape this cult and apologize to all of the people who have screwed up their lives being involved with this dangerous business cult.
blah blah blah blah blah.
Seriously, chill out. Get help. See a shrink or something. You're waaayyyyy to hung up on nothing much. A company sells stuff. people buy stuff. Someone makes a profit. Whoopeedoodah. Heck, even Scheibeler has had an epiphany and decided to get one with his life.
