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Mitt Romney, liar.

Apparently, five months after Romney "left any role" at Bain, he was being extensively quoted in press releases about personnel changes at the company.

None of that quote actually reveals any inside information about the changes. In fact, it's primarily statements about their past contributions to the company, which Romney would obviously be intimately familiar with even if he had no ongoing role. There is zero information contained within the quote about how the decision was reached or what alternatives were considered. They could easily have asked him for such a fluff statement without actually involving him in the decision in any way. In fact, since it's about the two of them leaving for other jobs, those two might have been the only people involved in the actual decision-making.

Oh, and "extensively quoted"? There's one quote, which you reproduced in full.
 
None of that quote actually reveals any inside information about the changes. In fact, it's primarily statements about their past contributions to the company, which Romney would obviously be intimately familiar with even if he had no ongoing role. There is zero information contained within the quote about how the decision was reached or what alternatives were considered. They could easily have asked him for such a fluff statement without actually involving him in the decision in any way. In fact, since it's about the two of them leaving for other jobs, those two might have been the only people involved in the actual decision-making.

And yet, strangely, Romney describes Sankatey Advisers as "our high yield asset business" and adds "While we will miss them, we wish them well and look forward to working with them as they build their firm."

Pretty strange things to say about Bain for someone who claims to have had no role whatsoever in the company starting five months before he said those things.

And why isn't the person who was running things day-to-day and who reached that decision about those two employees on Bain's behalf quoted? Why only Romney? Why would they even want a "fluff quote" from someone who wasn't even involved in any way, shape, or form with the very thing the press release was all about, and had himself left the employ of that company nearly half a year before?

Why did they describe Romney as being only on a "part-time leave of absence", five months after he supposedly stepped down completely and was no longer involved in running the company in any way, shape, or form?

Oh, and "extensively quoted"? There's one quote, which you reproduced in full.

Which is a whole paragraph of him talking about Bain in first-person possessives and discussing hopeful future cooperation between Bain and the two former employees.
 
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Which battleground state do you live in?
Southeast US is my legal residence. I suspect Romney will do well in my precinct, but lose badly at county level.

Here in the one where we live they've been running Romney attack ads for the past month or so, at least.
Not where I am. I'm now beginning to see a few ads by Romney attacking Obama, which imo are a waste of money better spent in more fertile markets.

Is that what 'Romney attack ads' mean to you?
 
Good points. Does anyone know if Bain Capital had 10K filing requirements? If private I suspect not, but don't know.

As bad as this is looking, is there any chance Romney would turn down the yet-to-be Nomination and suggest someone else? If so, who?

At some point he needs to face the fact he isn't going to win.

He hasn't been acting like he means to win for a while now, or so it has appeared to me.
 
And yet, strangely, Romney describes Sankatey Advisers as "our high yield asset business" and adds "While we will miss them, we wish them well and look forward to working with them as they build their firm."

Pretty strange things to say about Bain for someone who claims to have had no role whatsoever in the company starting five months before he said those things.

What's strange about it? It's PR pap. The guys leaving said they want to work with Bain. So why not just say you're looking forward to working with them? That doesn't mean you will, and it doesn't mean he would be involved if they did. As for the characterization of "our high yield asset business", well, unless that's a new development within the five months after he left, then that reveals nothing either.

And why isn't the person who was running things day-to-day and who reached that decision about those two employees on Bain's behalf quoted?

Beats me. Maybe the PR guy thought Romney would appreciate it.

Why only Romney?

Because you don't need more than one quote for a fluff piece like this. It's PR, not investigative reporting.

Why did they describe Romney as being only on a "part-time leave of absence", five months after he supposedly stepped down completely and was no longer involved in running the company in any way, shape, or form?

I don't know. But given that PR releases like this have basically no legal standing, I'd hardly put much credence in such characterizations. Seriously, why are you finding a PR release such a credible source of information? Let me remind you again: it's a PR release. Do you know what a PR release is? Have you ever seen one before?
 
Southeast US is my legal residence. I suspect Romney will do well in my precinct, but lose badly at county level.


Not where I am. I'm now beginning to see a few ads by Romney attacking Obama, which imo are a waste of money better spent in more fertile markets.

Is that what 'Romney attack ads' mean to you?


Well ... yes. Why? Did you mean something different when you used it the first time?

We have seen more than "a few" ads of that sort, and we have been seeing them for a month or more, at least. As I said.

"Southeast US" is somewhat imprecise, so I can't make any comparisons to here. I live in the Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill region of North Carolina. It is about as battleground as you can get for this Presidential election. Obama won last time, but the previous seven elections chose a Republican President in NC. The popular vote margins in those elections were not Republican landslides. If anything the demographics have become more nearly equal over that time.

Thus my response to your comment,
"Perhaps because Romney's attack ads haven't started running yet in battle ground states, while Obama's have been",
since our experience here has been pretty much the opposite, with Obama ads directed at Romney having only recently (the past couple of weeks) been very noticeable.

I attributed this to the fact that everyone already knew who to go shooting for on the Dem side of the ballot, while the dust was still settling from the Republicans' inward pointed circular firing squad.

If copyright laws didn't discourage it, the Dems could save a bundle just re-running the ads all the other Republicans ran against Romney. They tend to be much more cutthroat than most of what the Dems have the stomach to compose.

Election season ads tend to remind me of Adlai Stevenson's offer.
“If the Republicans will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”

Things haven't changed much in half a century.

:p
 
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Sorry if this has been posted, but the Boston Globe is continuing their investigation.

http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/0...-bain-after/w9vGMpkCKg1GaYdaU8l8GL/story.html

Financial disclosure forms Romney filed in Massachusetts indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.

In addition, Bloomberg news service reported Friday, Romney is named as one of two managing members of Bain Capital Investors LLC in annual reports filed in Massachusetts as late as 2002, “adding a new corporate entity to a growing number of Bain-related investments and funds that list the Republican presidential candidate as controlling the company three years after he said he left it.”

On the day after Romney took over the Winter Olympics, the Boston Herald reported that “Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions.”

On July 19, 1999, a news release about the resignation of two Bain Capital managing directors describes Romney as CEO and “currently on a part-time leave of absence to head the Salt Lake City Olympic Committee.”

Romney is quoted in the release from Regan Communications of Boston as saying, “While we will miss them, we wish them well and look forward to working with them as they build their firm,” language that suggests he was still involved in Bain personnel matters.

A Harvard Business School bulletin from October 1999 reported that “Romney is currently on leave as CEO of Bain Capital” and not that he had “retired” from Bain. In a November 2000 interview with the Globe, Romney’s wife, Ann, said he had been forced to lessen, but not end entirely, his involvement with Bain Capital.

It was not until August 2001 that Romney announced he would not return to full-time management of Bain Capital at the conclusion of the Olympics.
Until then, Romney planned to pick up where he left off, just as he had after two previous leaves of absence — one from 1991 to 1992 to save Bain and Company from near-bankruptcy and another from late 1993 to 1994 to run for US Senate.

“When I left my employer in Massachusetts in February of 1999 to accept the Olympic assignment,” Romney testified before the state Ballot Law Commission on June 17, 2002, “I left on the basis of a leave of absence, indicating that I, by virtue of that title, would return at the end of the Olympics to my employment at Bain Capital, but subsequently decided not to do so and entered into a departure agreement with my former partners.”
Romney also testified that “there were a number of social trips and business trips that brought [him] back to Massachusetts, board meetings” while he was running the Olympics. He added that he remained on the boards of several companies, including the Lifelike Co., in which Bain Capital held a stake until 2001.

Romney’s lawyer at the hearing said that Romney’s work in the private sector continued unbroken while he ran the Olympics.
“He succeeded in that three-year period in restoring confidence in the Olympic Games, closing that disastrous deficit and staging one of the most successful Olympic Games ever to occur on US soil,” said Peter L. Ebb from Ropes & Gray.

“Now while all that was going on, very much in the public eye, what happened to his private and public ties to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? And the answer is they continued unabated just as they had.”
 
There's an interesting analysis of the situation on Electoralvote.com today. It does show some bias (I think the webmaster of that site probably votes Democrat), but setting that aside, it included an interesting snippet regarding the fact that Americans are historically unafraid of rich Presidents; there's a list of the top ten wealthiest Presidents on the site, and Romney, if he were elected, would only jump into the number two spot. Who was number one? None other than George Washington, who was worth over $500 million (I'm assuming that's in today's dollars) thanks to the amount of land he owned, although he apparently didn't have much in the way of liquid assets the way Romney does. Interestingly though, only one or two of those ten Presidents listed actually EARNED their money; the rest all inherited or married into it.

Basically, I'm not saying it's a bad thing to have a wealthy President; I consider the Obamas to be relatively wealthy, but one of the things the Presidency demands is transparency. If you're running for the top position in the entire country, you have to expect that people are going to nitpick every single little detail of your life, sometimes even past the point of sanity (i.e. Birthers). The fact that Romney is so apparently unwilling to allow discussion of and research into the very thing he is touting as the reason why he should be elected President is very suspicious to me. I don't believe the man has done anything illegal, necessarily, but I and a lot of other Americans would like to know a bit more about the man before trusting him to lead us, assuming he were to be elected (which appears to be getting less and less likely the more he prevaricates).
 
Romney's camp is now claiming he "retroactively" retired; that his original plan was to work part time with Bain while managing the Olympics, but that fell by the wayside once it was realized just how bad the Olympics were.

Source.

So in other words... he WAS still at Bain, he just didn't do anything with it and didn't offer his opinion on the enormous amount of outsourcing Bain was doing at the time, and after the fact decided to absolve himself of any blame by "retroactively" retiring to 1999? Does he think that negates his responsibility for what Bain was doing in the intervening three years?
 
This might dovetail nicely with a Romney presidency: he wasn't the person who actually was in charge of making the decision he made when he was in charge, which, let's all be clear, he wasn't, and still isn't , but he is.
 
This might dovetail nicely with a Romney presidency: he wasn't the person who actually was in charge of making the decision he made when he was in charge, which, let's all be clear, he wasn't, and still isn't , but he is.

*cough* fast and furious *cough* Solyndra *cough*

Sorry, had to clear my throat. What was it you were saying about taking responsibility for the decisions of people you're in charge of?
 
*cough* fast and furious *cough* Solyndra *cough*

Sorry, had to clear my throat. What was it you were saying about taking responsibility for the decisions of people you're in charge of?


Cover your mouth when you cough. I was saying Romney is in charge when he isn't, when he is when he isn't.
 
Romney's camp is now claiming he "retroactively" retired; that his original plan was to work part time with Bain while managing the Olympics, but that fell by the wayside once it was realized just how bad the Olympics were.

I suspect that was the intent, to keep his "toe in the doorway" in case he wanted to return sooner than later. The problem is Romney wants to use his time at Bain to puff up his resume as a corporate head but not to use his time at Bain as a corporate head who fires people and moves jobs overseas.

Can't have it both ways.
 
New documents dug up over the past couple days do make it seem like he misrepresented how long he was in charge at Bain. He signed SEC filings in July 2000 and February 2001 where he is listed as CEO and President.

The TPM story:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07no_romney_didnt_leave_bain_in_1999.php

The SEC filings:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/892058/000092701600002483/0000927016-00-002483-0001.txt
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1054290/000092701601001009/0000927016-01-001009-0001.txt

The Boston Globe says they found nine SEC documents and some MA forms and testimony that seem to go against Romney telling the truth.
http://bostonglobe.com/news/politic...n-says-left/IpfKYWjnrsel4pvCFbsUTI/story.html

Actually, not new at all. It's an old story brought out AS IF it was a new story. You know, to build a narrative? Course, it sort of died off last time you guys tried it. So nobody is "discovering new things". That's all made up. But it sounds devilishly clever don't you think?

Steophanie Ebbert and Yvonne Abraham, "Camps Spar over Romney Word Choice", Boston Globe, 10/31/2002.
 
.... I don't believe the man has done anything illegal, necessarily, but I and a lot of other Americans would like to know a bit more about the man before trusting him to lead us, assuming he were to be elected (which appears to be getting less and less likely the more he prevaricates).
I know that you have released a lot of records, but none of those show that you beat your wife for decades. Would you please release more records?

:)
 
Which means that the idiots at the Boston Globe will be flogging it for several more months.

I am quite amused at the way the Obama supporters around here have latched onto this story like it was a life preserver. Sort of puts the lie to all the expressions of confidence that Hopey McChange is going to win reelection easily.
Yeah, wasn't there an official STATE INVESTIGATION on this that concluded Romney was clean, and could run for governor?

But these local libs don't want to talk about that, because it wouldn't help the re inventing of facts to fit the narrative?

They need something better.

Really.
 
I suspect that was the intent, to keep his "toe in the doorway" in case he wanted to return sooner than later. The problem is Romney wants to use his time at Bain to puff up his resume as a corporate head but not to use his time at Bain as a corporate head who fires people and moves jobs overseas.

Can't have it both ways.

I suspect that the intent was to allow Romney to be able to review major decisions taken by the caretaker administration that was keeping things running while he was away. Since in every organization that I've worked for, the authority, duties, responsibilities, and privileges of the senior managers have been documented in writing, it will be interesting to see if any documentation of any transfer of authority to any Bain Capital managers will surface.
 

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