Miss me? (smiles)

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I don't see what the great thing would be your God has done. He has given His Son? Fine, but how much is that for a God who is omnipotent, and all that? A further point is that His Son must (after your religion) be still around, as I've shown in points 1a-c. So, He gives his Son, only that this Son is not gone but still there!

Huh? Excuuuse me



Of course He did. And not just once ...

"Perfect" creation going against Him back in Eden, and things becoming worse after that.

So, He decides to fix things with a flood and leave only one family with which He was content.

But nooo, things are going down the gutter again. Even His chosen people needs commandements and all that, and still cannot keep them. And not to speak about the other, non-chosen, peoples.

Despite the earlier fixes and updates things become so bad that He tries to fix them, again. This time by "giving" His Son.

And yet, and yet, and yet He didn't succeed. There is going to be (after your religion) an end battle, including rapture and everything.



No pets but I, too, will make an example:
I leave you to chose between picking up, say, a ball and to leave it where it is. You of course feel that you are free to choose to either leave it or pick it up.

But now I put a gun to your head and say, "Pick up the ball and I repaint the wall with your brains." How much of a free choice is that still?

I doubt that you would choose to pick it up, but I make things worse. Even if you only want to pick up the ball, and no matter if you do it, I am going to shoot you. The merest, remotest wish to pick it up will seal your fate. Where is your free choice now?



But I can't, don't you see that. To become saved, I would have to accept deep down in my heart and not just utter an empty statement. Come to that I would have to do it on blind faith. This is impossible, for me.



No, He will at first "leave me behind" and later send me to hell, eternally.

Benevolent, eh?


I hope you won't break down under the weight of your guilt which you have to bear and live a happy life. Seriously

You sound like a child in 1st grade crying because He don't like the rules of his circumstances. The child has no choice but to accept or rebel. Regardless of what He choses, there will be consequences.

You think you were born to alter the rules/guidlines/the way it is?

No. Sorry. You were not.

God is the creator and you are the creation. It is He who sits on the thrown, not you. It is He, that keeps all together, not you.

Since there has been net access. I've noticed people like you. You think if you whine loud enough that it will alter something with God or make a difference in the end for you somehow.


God is the creator.
You are the creation.

When you can part the water, then you can listen to yourself. Until then. I would suggest you repent and know your creator.


...and stop crying. Try understanding for once. ("But nooo...")


Lyndale

 

[LightPiercingDarkness]

As a creature of free will, abandoning the skeptical process and ceasing to question anything/everything is akin to mental suicide. If there is a god who gave me free will and then told me to leave it to follow his path or suffer a penalty, I would say "so be it" and walk the path I choose, regardless of divine penalty.

And fer gawd's sakes stop harassing those poor demons!

"As a creature of free will, abandoning the skeptical process and ceasing to question anything/everything is akin to mental suicide. "
- nothing wrong in being skeptical about things. Even in knowing God, one should be careful....but not stupid (winks).


"If there is a god who gave me free will and then told me to leave it to follow his path or suffer a penalty".


No if, there is. -He never said to leave your free will. He said turn from your sin. Do you know the difference?


"I would say "so be it" and walk the path I choose, regardless of divine penalty."
-Easy now to say...uh?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
You sound like a child in 1st grade crying because He don't like the rules of his circumstances. The child has no choice but to accept or rebel. Regardless of what He choses, there will be consequences.

You, of all persons, have the nerve to tell me this? You, who keeps on crying and whining about how nobody notices a connection between pixels that look remotely like faces (these do as well: ) and your conclusion, which is silly beyond mere childishness, that they are "the fallen"?


And for the rest of your post I simply alter your empty blathering a bit and return it to you:


You think you were born to alter reality?

No. Sorry. You were not.

There is something called reality and you live in it. It is reality that is real, not what you imagine. It is reality, that is, not your imagination.

Since there has been net access. I've noticed people like you. You think if you whine loud enough that it will alter something about reality or make a difference in the end for you somehow.

There is something that is called reality.
You live in it.

When you've learned to look at reality, then you can listen to yourself. Until then. I would suggest you see a doc and try to come back to reality.

...and stop crying. Try thinking for once

 

[geni]

LightPiercingDarkness

What church are you a member of?

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

LightPiercingDarkness

What church are you a member of?

Saint Loony Toon

 

[LightPiercingDarkness]

LightPiercingDarkness

What church are you a member of?

You know. If I thought for one moment, that you were asking ...because of a positive reason...I'd tell you.


But the only reason you ask is........so you can figure out what kind of ammo to use.


I'll tell you this.


I'ts one that strictly uses the King James 1611 only.


Lyndale

 

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Sometimes I loose my 'tact.

Forgive me.



Lyndale

 

[LightPiercingDarkness]

LightPiercingDarkness

What church are you a member of?

It is not good, to ask what religion.

A better way of asking is..

What is the place you goto like? Why do you pick that place to goto? What are the people like? How do you know you grow where you go?



Religion is an evil word.


Lyndale

 

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Ems..


Recess is over.




Lyndale

 

[Dane]

Lyndale,

I'm curious myself what denomination you associate yourself with Lyndale. I have no intent to flame you for your choice of denomination, so if you don't choose to tell me, then I shall let it be. I am a 7th Day Adventist. In other words, I go to church and keep the 7th day Sabbath, Saturday, holy as is instructed in the Bible as the only holy day. I assume, Lyndale, that you keep the 7th day holy as well? Considering you are very much focussed on following God's instruction only. Sunday as the holy day was man's idea, but God never instructed that change, so that is why I still keep the 7th day holy, today actually. And as a 7th Day Adventist we especially look forward to and study in depth the Advent... that is, the Second Coming. So that's my denomination. If anyone else here would like to share theirs as well (if anyone here is part of one) feel free to...

Dane

 

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Lyndale,

I'm curious myself what denomination you associate yourself with Lyndale. I have no intent to flame you for your choice of denomination, so if you don't choose to tell me, then I shall let it be. I am a 7th Day Adventist. In other words, I go to church and keep the 7th day Sabbath, Saturday, holy as is instructed in the Bible as the only holy day. I assume, Lyndale, that you keep the 7th day holy as well? Considering you are very much focussed on following God's instruction only. Sunday as the holy day was man's idea, but God never instructed that change, so that is why I still keep the 7th day holy, today actually. And as a 7th Day Adventist we especially look forward to and study in depth the Advent... that is, the Second Coming. So that's my denomination. If anyone else here would like to share theirs as well (if anyone here is part of one) feel free to...

Dane

Let me answer you this way.


Any church.....organization.......religion......person......group.........THAT alters......changes......re invents.......misuses.........spices up........does less.......does more.........changes the words........

Of Jesus ...............is not of Jesus.


These denominations........that use prophescies.........healings..........money.............or any other means................to entice people to God.............is not of God.



So, that being said.......when you find or learn........who is not of these dane..............that is who I belong with.

Lyndale

 

[T'ai Chi]

Any church.....organization.......religion......person......group.........THAT alters......changes......re invents.......misuses.........spices up........does less.......does more.........changes the words........

Of Jesus ...............is not of Jesus.

So what was the Bible like before the KJV 1611 version?

 

[Powa]

I'ts one that strictly uses the King James 1611 only.

And later:

Any church.....organization.......religion......person......group.........THAT alters......changes......re invents.......misuses.........spices up........does less.......does more.........changes the words........

Of Jesus ...............is not of Jesus.

Lyndale, since you hold your version of the bible so holy, let me ask you this. For instance, the bible says Noah was 600 years old when the flood came. Is this what Jesus says or is it an invention of man?

 

[Powa]

And oh yeah, since Saturday is supposed to be holy, and Catholics go to church on Sunday, does that mean that Catholicism is a false religion and all Catholics are going to hell?

Just a thought...

 

[Dane]

Well Lyndale, my denomination does accurately fit your description of following Christ only. So perhaps you are part of my denomination. That is the best I can surmise from how you explained it. Or perhaps there is a similar lesser-known denomination that I am not familarized with. I don't really like guessing games though, so if you choose to share, it's up to you.


Dane

 

[Dane]

Powa,

Actually, I've discussed this with many Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, and other Sunday-keeping religions, and Atheists as well. About whether Sunday-keepers will go to hell. Here is how it works. God will judge us on what we DO know, and not on what we don't know. He will be merciful to those who deserve mercy. If someone had been a Sunday-keeper their whole life, because that is what they had best thought was the correct day to keep from what they knew, God would offer that person mercy (I say this cautiously, because I don't want to put words in God's mouth). But if someone started to hear about or learn about how the 7th day may be the correct day to keep holy, as instructed by God, and instead chose to ignore it, and continue to live the same way, then that person is at high risk of not being saved, because they PURPOSEFULLY rejected one of God's commands. So basically, God will offer mercy where mercy is deserved. There is such thing as forgiveable ignorance... but the ignorance of those that choose the path of ignorance because of stubbornness, or carelessness, is not forgiveable. Does this make sense to you? This doesn't just apply to the day of worship as well. I don't want to speak for God, but I do know that God will give mercy where mercy is due. So yes, Buddhists, Mormons, Hindus, and ALL types of religious people will be saved. But when we are given a chance to learn the truth and reject it, that is where the fall begins. Hope I offered enough lucidity.

Dane

 

[Powa]

Great answer Dane.

I have another one for you. How sure are you (if at all) that YOUR way is the right way to worship God? I never got the answer from Lyndale.

Imagine if you ended in muslim heaven (or, God forbid, hell). That would be funny as hell (not to you, I imagine . )

 

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Concerning the above.


There are many 'wonderful aspects of the path of Jesus, that are contained in the bible. Many.

But when people, group or organizations........take one of them and use it to 'entice people, it is wrong and it is not the path of Jesus.

I've seen where churches 'focus on "speaking in tongues" has their format to make a presentation of who 'they think God is and how to know Him..........wrong.

I've seen where churches 'focus on prophescies.....to present God................Wrong.

I've seen where churches 'focus on 'the amount of money you give...to know Him.................wrong.

I've seen where churches 'focus on healings.... to present God.....
wrong.

I've seen many many aspects of the Bible, where people will take a certain subject and use it has a format to present God.....wrong.

If any organization (regardless of how big or small it is) is doing that which is not of Jesus..........THEY ARE WRONG.

Jesus said......"I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, NO MAN COMMETH UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY "ME".

(I've seen people worry more about a day, then the gift of God.........wrong)


Lyndale

 

[Powa]

I'll rephrase the question Lyndale. How can you be sure that your religion is the right one? Many people of different religions are more than willing (some eager) to give their lives for their god. That's how strong their faith is. My question is this: how can you be sure that your particular belief is right and not someone else's. Your religion is but one of many houndreds of religions known to man. What makes your religion special?

I hope you understand what I'm saying. I don't know how else I can put it.

 

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I'll rephrase the question Lyndale. How can you be sure that your religion is the right one? Many people of different religions are more than willing (some eager) to give their lives for their god. That's how strong their faith is. My question is this: how can you be sure that your particular belief is right and not someone else's. Your religion is but one of many houndreds of religions known to man. What makes your religion special?

I hope you understand what I'm saying. I don't know how else I can put it.

Powa

I've addressed this several times, now. I can feel your desire to know and because of it, I am trying even harder to find the proper response based on what I know to tell you.

Maybe simplifying it was a mistake but I must assume in over simplifying would be a bigger mistake. If you can't understand the simple things of God, how will you understand the 'grander?

Even He says...when we become new creatures in Christ we are to be given the milk of His Word, rather then the meat.

You ask me how do I know? I know because "He has never let me down". Because of His comfort, when bad things happen. Because when I started on this path, repeated situations and conclusions changed......they werent the same any more. They were new situations and conclusions. That may not of still ended the way, that I would of liked them too, but they still ended better then they did before and with a more clarity of understanding, even when they left me feeling bad.

Now if you apply this thinking to those on other paths ....the best response I can say to you is......because God is. He is a package deal. With Him comes satan. satan, since the beginning of man, has fined tuned His craft to deceive man. he has made many many false paths and because of his/fallens influences many of listend and believed.

So I guess you could break it down like this...
All information has an origin. It begins somewhere, for the first time. Granted has time passes it changes and eventually could loose its meaning. In searching for God......me personally....I would want to know the "best" place to "start".
Because I know, that King James was so particular in His translation (meaning, each time the name God was written, He had the writting instrument thrown away)......And His translation is a direct translation from the "orginal manuscripts". The original manuscipts were from the original writters. Thus I believe that this is about the closests thing that the 'average person can read concerning God. ( I don't believe God would let man go thrue history without no guidelines)
The King James version 1611 has 66 different books in it. Written by over 30 some different authors in several different languages on several differrent land masses. That when put together form a perfect record, that no scientific dig has ever proven otherwise. That is a fact.
Contradictions- The word of God describes itself has a living breathing entity. One where you must belong to it to have even a chance of understanding it. Is there one person who understands all of it? No. Is there seemingly contradictions that many can not explain...sure. Does that make it wrong? No.
If your not of God, how can you hope to understand God?
All the different versions of today- Do you remember when you were in school and you played a game where everyone sat in a circle and was told to be quite and the teacher would walk over and wisper in your ear ...told you a secret...and told you to repeat it quitely to the person sitting next to you and then they do the same to the person next to them...by the time it got back around to the beginning ...it had lost all translation of the orginal intent.........my point.....its the same with all these new versions......out there.....man keeps changing it to meet his needs...and sooner or later it will not be worth nothing.

so..again...I believe the best place to start a search for God is to start at the best place that holds the best information.
That being......
You know look at the contents.......
In the bible........there is only one claim to be the messiah...

Jesus.

So now you have a means... you have a path....you have a teacher....

Now you put it to the test. It will be what it says it is or it won't.

I walk it. It has never failed in what it says it is. The path is true.
Now I know you can't just take my word for that. I wouldnt expect you to. But if you never put one foot in front of the other one...you'll never know different either.

All those false paths in the world...they always fail somewhere along the lines and some people jump from path to path and some dont. Some do die for their paths and some dont.
The devil has had a long time to hone his craft. his words are enticing and deceiving.....but never the less its still a free will choice.

I can't help that God created the tree. I can't help that satan fell and took one third with him. I can't help the deception that covers a mans eyes because of his failures (satan).

I can only tell you (not wanting anything from you), that my personal experiance with Jesus........He has never failed in His words. His path has always been true in my life. Sure bad things will still happen, but I guarantee you.....its different when He is on your side.

That is absolutly the best I can tell you and with all my heart I hope one day you know Him. God is. His Son is Jesus. God says all of heaven rejoyouses for each new creature in Christ (when one becomes born again). He says He knows every hair on your head (He knows you so well). Every hurt in your heart.

Stand for Him.

May God Keep you.


Lyndale