Emotionality on the part of the scientists doing the carbon dating? No, I don't accept that. Do you have any evidence of it? Do you get emotional about doing your everyday job?
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Emotionality on the part of the scientists doing the carbon dating? No, I don't accept that. Do you have any evidence of it? Do you get emotional about doing your everyday job?
MRC_Hans
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The highlighted statement is false. C14 measurement is a precise science performed with calibrated measuring equipment. Emotions do not affect it at all.
Thus, the question of emotionality is irrelevant.
Edited to add: OK, Jabba, I have decided to cut you just a little slack. How do you propose emotionality during the preparation could have affected the result of the C14 measurement? Be specific and precise.
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Slowvehicle
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Good Morning, Mr. Savage.
I checked back in this morning to see if you had deigned in any way to address the actual issue. Sadly, you have not.
Do you ever intend to?
I wonder, idly, how many posts of mine this is that you have, simply, rudely, ignored.
Filippo Lippi
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Doesn't everybody go for the "emotional mode" option when buying machines? I always do. Even on something as simple as a lever I find ratcheting up the "zeal" and "ire" settings to maximum can produce exciting, random results that you just don't see when you apply a consistent amount of force to a conventional crowbar.
On the car, it's brilliant. When I am excited, the car is too! There is a bit of a problem, obviously, when I am a bit flat and the car decides that it just can't be bothered to apply the brakes no matter how hard I pump that middle pedal. Obviously, my torpor soon turns to terror and the car immediately slams on all brakes, switches on the hazard lights, explodes all the air bags and re-tunes the radio to an easy-listening station, which, perversely, often gets on my wick.
On the car, it's brilliant. When I am excited, the car is too! There is a bit of a problem, obviously, when I am a bit flat and the car decides that it just can't be bothered to apply the brakes no matter how hard I pump that middle pedal. Obviously, my torpor soon turns to terror and the car immediately slams on all brakes, switches on the hazard lights, explodes all the air bags and re-tunes the radio to an easy-listening station, which, perversely, often gets on my wick.
Craig4
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Perhaps you could show some evidence of this emotionality. Near as I can tell, the emotionality came from STRUP who was not involved in the carbon dating.
John Jones
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Yes. It seems STURP and Jabba have been quite emotional about this whole business.
aleCcowaN
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STUPRE? There's nothing more emotional than that!
Belz...
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Yes, but in one case the side has admitted to being biased, and the other side has both shown that their bias was eliminated by the scientific process, and that the first side IS biased and WRONG.
Belz...
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No. You have provided no evidence that there was. You're just, as usual, claiming that the possibilty exists.
You simply don't know how science works, then.
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Carbon Dating Doubts/Emotionality
- Since you said that emotionality is irrelevant, I'll assume that you accept that there was a lot of emotionality involved in the 10 years leading up to the carbon dating itself...
- My first sub-claim is that none of the labs would have accepted the particular sample as being sufficient, and appropriate, for determining the age of the shroud, had dating the shroud not been such a prize.
- I assume that you disagree (I can't remember whether you said that or not), but if you agree, I'll go on to my next sub-claim.
-Otherwise, I'll see how many specifics, responsible for my conclusion above, I can retrieve.
Hans,
- Since you said that emotionality is irrelevant, I'll assume that you accept that there was a lot of emotionality involved in the 10 years leading up to the carbon dating itself...
- My first sub-claim is that none of the labs would have accepted the particular sample as being sufficient, and appropriate, for determining the age of the shroud, had dating the shroud not been such a prize.
- I assume that you disagree (I can't remember whether you said that or not), but if you agree, I'll go on to my next sub-claim.
-Otherwise, I'll see how many specifics, responsible for my conclusion above, I can retrieve.
Belz...
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That's the most insane non sequitur I've seen in a long time.
Belz...
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Your claim is empty rhetoric. You have no evidence for this, just like you have no evidence that the Shroud is authentic.
You've lost, Jabba. No one wants to debate with you anymore because you don't even play by your own rules, are unable to enage in honest discussion, use slander and innuendo to cast doubt on the scientists rather than attack the science, refuse to admit that you're wrong, constantly re-state disproven claims, and can't be arsed to pay attention to the discussion.
Go away.
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Carbon Dating Doubts/Emotionality
- From http://shroud.com/nature.htm
- The results of radiocarbon measurements at Arizona, Oxford and Zurich yield a calibrated calendar age range with at least 95% confidence for the linen of the Shroud of Turin of AD 1260 - 1390 (rounded down/up to nearest 10 yr). These results therefore provide conclusive evidence that the linen of the Shroud of Turin is mediaeval.
Hans,
- It appears to me that the authors were not careful about their wording. The 95% confidence of their dating was for the particular patch they studied -- it was not for the the linen of the shroud.
- From http://shroud.com/nature.htm
- The results of radiocarbon measurements at Arizona, Oxford and Zurich yield a calibrated calendar age range with at least 95% confidence for the linen of the Shroud of Turin of AD 1260 - 1390 (rounded down/up to nearest 10 yr). These results therefore provide conclusive evidence that the linen of the Shroud of Turin is mediaeval.
Hans,
- It appears to me that the authors were not careful about their wording. The 95% confidence of their dating was for the particular patch they studied -- it was not for the the linen of the shroud.
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Mojo
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Since you have posted no evidence for this "emotionality" on the part of the scientists who carried out the carbon dating, I'll assume you have none. Note that while your statement to which I was replying was a non sequitur, mine isn't.
Begging the question. You have not established that the samples were in any way insufficient or inappropriate.
Belz...
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Are you bringing up the idea of the invisible patch AGAIN? You've been shooled on this topic for months and months. Did you forget to take notes?
Mojo
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And now you are back to your imaginary patches. Do you have any evidence that the parts of the cloth that were sampled were younger than the rest of the cloth?
John Jones
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What an asinine thing to assume.
You just can't resist cramming your words in other people's mouth, can you?
John Jones
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It was not a patch. You've had this explained a hundred times, and even conceded the point in the past.
You've got nothing.
Stop returning to your folly like a dog to its vomit.
Mojo
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At the 3 labs ? No i do not.
ball is in your camp now.
Go ahead provide evidence that that the people at those lab were 1) emotionally involved and 2) that it influenced their result.
Hint : provide evidence is NOT equal to calumny people by asserting they were emotional.
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