Milwaukee 'werewolf' attempted murder

[Eddie Dane]

I mean to sound naive (but I am, so that's the way it comes out).

But is this a commonly occurring thing? Lonely people who hang at the occult corner in Barnes and Noble and start to take stuff like this seriously? Seriously seriously?

Believing they're werewolves?

WTF.

No wonder cults remain a lively phenomenon.
People can bend their mind enough to convince themselves of crap like this, you can make them believe anything.

That dude should have told this chick that <SNIP> would give them special magical powers or something.

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[John Albert]

That dude should have told this chick that <SNIP> would give them special magical powers or something.

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I'm getting the impression he didn't quite have the "upper hand" in this particular "relationship."

 

[ChristineR]

Yeah, but I'm not convinced that her interest in the occult had anything to do with her motives for this. It was apparently some sort of consensual kink which for some reason she escalated into out and out torture and kidnapping. I certainly don't see any evidence that she actually thought she was a werewolf or that this was a satanic ritual. I guess it can't be ruled out, but all the news really says about it is that they met for consensual sex, that she restrained him and tortured him, and that they removed a few occult books from her apartment.

 

[John Albert]

Yeah, but I'm not convinced that her interest in the occult had anything to do with her motives for this. It was apparently some sort of consensual kink which for some reason she escalated into out and out torture and kidnapping. I certainly don't see any evidence that she actually thought she was a werewolf or that this was a satanic ritual. I guess it can't be ruled out, but all the news really says about it is that they met for consensual sex, that she restrained him and tortured him, and that they removed a few occult books from her apartment.

I dunno for certain.

How many people have you known that were into the occult and/or kinky sex practices? In my experience, there appears to be significant social crossover between the two groups.

 

[Eddie Dane]

I dunno for certain.

How many people have you known that were into the occult and/or kinky sex practices? In my experience, there appears to be significant social crossover between the two groups.

Really? I should brush up on my woo, then.

 

[ChristineR]

I dunno for certain.

How many people have you known that were into the occult and/or kinky sex practices? In my experience, there appears to be significant social crossover between the two groups.

Yeah that is also my experience, but's there's a quite a leap from that connection to her motive for torturing him and holding him captive being occult, and an even bigger leap into her actually thinking she was a werewolf. I mean tying some dude up and cutting him is hardly classic were-beast behavior, nor is it a likely way to get the forces of darkness to grant you lycanthropy.

Of course I don't think anything is a likely way to get the forces of darkness to do anything at all, so I may not be the best judge.

 

[catsmate]

How many people have you known that were into the occult and/or kinky sex practices? In my experience, there appears to be significant social crossover between the two groups.

There is but it's been my experience that it's more that the occult/Goth/wiccan types also be sexually experimental rather than the kinksters being particularly interested in the occult. With some exceptions.

 

[Robrob]

There is some confusion as to motivation. The newspaper reports seem to have jumped to a conclusion based on the books reported in the apartment. Frankly it may have been nothing more than a conventional robbery and attempted murder.

 

[catsmate]

There is some confusion as to motivation. The newspaper reports seem to have jumped to a conclusion based on the books reported in the apartment. Frankly it may have been nothing more than a conventional robbery and attempted murder.

How boring.
Though 300 wounds does sound like more than a simple robbery.

 

[John Albert]

There is but it's been my experience that it's more that the occult/Goth/wiccan types also be sexually experimental rather than the kinksters being particularly interested in the occult. With some exceptions.

I've heard that a disproportionate number of investment bankers and other "power-broker" types tend to visit professional dominatrices. Don't ask me where, but I've heard that from quite a few sources.

There is some confusion as to motivation. The newspaper reports seem to have jumped to a conclusion based on the books reported in the apartment.

Certainly, the "werewolf" angle appears to have been played up significantly. That seems likely and unsurprising.

Frankly it may have been nothing more than a conventional robbery and attempted murder.

This, on the other hand, I find exceedingly difficult to believe. I'm sure there's a lot more to the story than that. If they were after his money or something, I'd think he would have told the police that.

The only reason I jumped to the conclusion of "attempted murder" in the thread title is because the original newspaper story I read seemed to lean strongly in that direction, as if the girl might be a serial killer type or something. The story was revised several times and different sensational details emerged as it developed.

 

[Marduk]

How many people have you known that were into the occult and/or kinky sex practices? In my experience, there appears to be significant social crossover between the two groups.

in my experience, thousands, the occult interest usually dies off just leaving the kink by middle age, so the crossover tends to lie with the inexperienced, inexperience of blood play could result in the injuries described. None of them were obviously serious to warrant an attempted murder charge imo,

NSFW

Blood play is a BDSM scene that involves the spilling of blood.

Such scenes are dangerous, and should only be done with extreme care to avoid infection and serious injury. Full, informed consent of both parties involved is essential.

I've seen more severe wounds inflicted for fun at clubs,


bet it turns out when they get to court that the guy knows more than he was letting on to the press

 

[John Albert]

I wonder how serious the wounds actually were.

 

[Marduk]

I wonder how serious the wounds actually were.

the guy escaped then walked to a phone and called police
superficial is a word that springs readily to mind

 

[Naive1000]

the guy escaped then walked to a phone and called police
superficial is a word that springs readily to mind

Yes, but they also mentioned pools of blood and easily tracking it back to the apartment following the trail of blood.

Sadly, it seems no charges will be pressed even though they held him against his will.

She said the man asked to be released but that "is not what we agreed to."

 

[Marduk]

Yes, but they also mentioned pools of blood

No they didn't

there was blood on the floor and on bedding in a bedroom as well as duct tape

and easily tracking it back to the apartment following the trail of blood.

Again, no they didn't

Officers followed a blood trail to an apartment in the 900 block of E. Knapp St

theres no "easily" in that sentence, you could follow a blood trail from a cut finger

Sadly, it seems no charges will be pressed even though they held him against his will.

how do you know that ?
Newspapers tend to report whatever angle they want for sensationalist purposes, see them pushing the werewolf angle on the strength of a book being in the apartment, if they'd had a book on UFOS, the headline would be "Alien cultists extract bodily fluid for weird outer space ritual"
did you hear the girls full version of events yet, or just the horribly injured man who first escaped from duct tape bonds and then walked to the corner to make a phone call then spoke to the press and a few out of context choice quotes from one of the women

the report said they haven't been charged "yet"
this was the book they were all flapping about
"The Werewolf’s Guide to Life"

A witty, entertaining, satirical guide to life after becoming a werewolf. Although it might not seem ideal to have werewolf-dom imposed by a fiendish bite, there are in fact thousands of werefolves out there - living normal lives. The only difference is that three times a month they double in size, triple in strength and grow a mane of fur. Now this guide shows all new werewolves how to cope with this transition with life-saving tips on how to avoid detection, safeguard your home and deal with the aftermath of attacking someone

sex game gone wrong, wheres the crime ?

 

[Naive1000]

From the article:

A blood trail led police to Apartment 9 on the third floor of 918 East Knapp Street. Inside, cops spotted a “large amount of blood on the floor and on bedding in a bedroom.” They also saw “duct tape, which was fashioned in a manner that appeared to be a restraint.”Article 1

As I said followed the trail. Maybe pool was the wrong word, but I think it was from another article I read on it (not worth it to me to search for it).

The two women accused of involvement in an alleged satanic sexual encounter and stabbing of an Arizona man were released from Milwaukee County jail Friday according to WISN-TV (channel 12) news.Article 2

Released, not released on bail. The victim fled back to Arizona so they decided not to prosecute. Read the comments.

"He was cut shallowly, a few times on his arms and legs, back, lightly stabbed," she added.

She said the man asked to be released but that "is not what we agreed to."

This changes it from consensual to non-consensual and if this was a man on woman crime they would prosecute. This goes against the whole BDSM motto of Safe, Sane, and Consensual. It's was also mentioned on his Facebook page that he need lots of stitches (now taken down because of the press).

 

[Marduk]

Released, not released on bail. The victim fled back to Arizona so they decided not to prosecute.

Isn't it more common to not prosecute for lack of evidence

This changes it from consensual to non-consensual

you haven't heard of consensual non consent ?

Consensual non-consent refers to the type of agreement made in a relationship based on Domination and submission between the Dominant and submissive party, stipulating that the submissive has consented to the Dominant's decisions and puts him/herself in the care of the Dominant. This type of agreement is not to be taken lightly. A submissive party living in this type of relationship might be or become a slave, relinquishing personal freedoms and rights to the Dominant's discretion

This type of consent, which is also called blanket consent, is also applicable for those who will submit to being disciplined since they don't want to be disciplined at the time they are getting punished but do want to be in a relationship where they are subject to it, so it's not consented to at the time but is consented to overall..

you can also consent to something in play and then adopt a pretence of non consent for the role, it'll probably turn out he was fully aware of what he was getting into but it didn't register because he was following the brain between his legs.

and if this was a man on woman crime they would prosecute.

so the authorities are sexist in your opinion ?

This goes against the whole BDSM motto of Safe, Sane, and Consensual. It's was also mentioned on his Facebook page that he need lots of stitches (now taken down because of the press).

cutting and bloodplay isn't covered by SSC, its covered by RACK,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk-aware_consensual_kink
SSC is more for your non lifestyle newbs, and ssc was originally invented to be the minimum standard, not the be all and end all
bloodplay is so 2009 anyway, and stitches big deal, the big thing at the moment is branding
you can't stitch that
and yanno, someones facebook page is not a reliable source


so what have we got so far
a load of bs about a werewolf ritual because of a comedy book
a witness who refuses to press charges
a police department who have released the women uncharged
nothing to see here, move along

 

[John Albert]

so what have we got so far
a load of bs about a werewolf ritual because of a comedy book
a witness who refuses to press charges
a police department who have released the women uncharged
nothing to see here, move along

And 2 unflattering mugshots which give no indication whether to have a fap or take a nap. Out of this story, I'd hoped for so much more.

BO-RING!

 

[Marduk]

And 2 unflattering mugshots which give no indication whether to have a fap or take a nap. Out of this story, I'd hoped for so much more.

BO-RING!

I don't think I've ever seen a flattering mugshot
I'm sure theyre lovely girls really, just the type you'd want to take home and meet your mother

provided your mother is a sadistic professional Dominatrix with a passion for bloodplay

 

[John Albert]

You're getting a lot of mileage out of that "spoiler" tag.