Michelle Obama's Whitey Video--Does It Exist?

Here's an example of an unambiguous denial.
"It is a shame that the New York Times has lowered its standards to engage in a hit and run smear campaign. John McCain has a 24-year record of serving our country with honor and integrity. He has never violated the public trust, never done favors for special interests or lobbyists, and he will not allow a smear campaign to distract from the issues at stake in this election.
"Americans are sick and tired of this kind of gutter politics, and there is nothing in this story to suggest that John McCain has ever violated the principles that have guided his career."
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Straight talk.
 
jberryhill said:
No, Brainster is upset that Obama doesn't want to play the game of Denial of the Week.

The way it works is that every week you have someone make up some crap about the target, or cleverly interpret some event or quote. Then you ask the target to deny it.

The goal is to get as many headlines along the lines of:

"Target Denies X" as a vehicle for giving the assertion wider distribution than it had in the first place.

I've never heard Obama deny that he has sex with little boys. Not once. This makes it fair game for asking him, and generating the headline "Obama Denies Sex With Boys", and it elevates the "scandal" to the level of "Gee, I wonder why he has to deny a thing like that."

Nobody is asking McCain if he ever used the word "******". And one of the reasons why, for example, OJ was acquitted was because they put a white guy on the stand and asked him if he'd ever used the word "******". Ever. Now, you go put that question to every white person, and you'll find out that no white person has ever said it.

If you want to ask whether any black person has ever expressed frustration with "white people" generally as a consequence of conditions in this country. I'm sure it's an overwhelming "yes", and I'd wonder about a black person who claims never to have made such an utterance.

But what is the real point of the inquiry in this context?

Shall we ask John McCain if he ever used the word "gook" in reference to Vietnamese? Would you believe he didn't?
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Nominated. Everyone should print that and hang it on their wall so they can re-read it every time such a headline appears over the next five months.

The ones doing the smearing know that getting a denial from the candidate is a victory; the fact that he considered the accusation to have enough substance to warrant a denial is the same as an admission of guilt in the minds of many. The entire point of these campaigns is to keep the candidate on the defensive, raising accusation after accusation so that he will become guilty by sheer volume, until the public says, "Well, if just 10% of what they accuse is true..."

It's the same as the 9/11 truthers; they throw so much at the wall to obscure the fact that none of it is sticking.

Yes, Brainster has become an Obama truther. Keep that in mind every time he posts anything on the subject from here on out.
 
Oh my! Another non-denial denial by none other than John McCain.

An audience member ambushed John McCain on Thursday at an otherwise placid town hall meeting in Des Moines, Iowa, with a surprise question about whether he had ever called his wife by an obscene term.

The man stood up and first said he wanted to ask the Arizona senator about a “mental health and mental health care” concern.

“Previously I had been married to a woman who was very verbally abusive to me,” the man said. He paused and asked, “Is it true that you called your wife a c***?”

The crowd booed, and McCain responded:

“No, no — you don’t wanna, you don’t wanna. You know, it’s a great thing about town hall meetings, sir,” he said. “But we really don’t — there’s people here who don’t respect that kind of language. So I’ll move onto the next questioner in the back.”

Secret Service agents escorted the man out of the building.
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Not an explicit denial!
 
I don't believe it exists, no. Given that Michelle has not been proud of America and has attended The Hate White America Trinity church for 20+ years, it doesn't really add anything anyway.
 
kallsop said:
Given that Michelle has not been proud of America and has attended The Hate White America Trinity church for 20+ years, it doesn't really add anything anyway.
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Well, I am pleased to see progress. Puppycow, yes, you have hit on several non-denial denials by John McCain; glad somebody seems to understand English here.
 
jberryhill said:
"Target Denies X" as a vehicle for giving the assertion wider distribution than it had in the first place.
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There's a story about LBJ's first campaign for congress that goes something like this:

LBJ to aid: Tell the press that Smith ***** sheep.
Aid: But sir, Smith doesn't **** sheep.
LBJ: Yeah but I wanna hear the sob deny it.
 
If MCain had said the same thing after a similar smear job, I'd be on his side that it was an actual denial as well. This is a really unworthy smear, and I really have to wonder at the honesty of anybody who continues to pursue this in the face of NO EVIDENCE.

What are you, "Truthers"?
 
BenBurch said:
If MCain had said the same thing after a similar smear job, I'd be on his side that it was an actual denial as well. This is a really unworthy smear, and I really have to wonder at the honesty of anybody who continues to pursue this in the face of NO EVIDENCE.

What are you, "Truthers"?
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This thread has gone on for a page and a half on nothing other than the fact that I said it was a non-denial denial, even though at the same time I said this meant nothing, that it was Obama being a lawyer. But as a freaking skeptic, I felt compelled to point out that he didn't actually deny it.

So shoot me.
 
BPSCG said:
I also recognize that it sets off skeptical alarm bells galore. That's why I think it's important for people who won't vote for Obama - especially for people who won't vote for Obama - to openly state their skepticism. It helps teach the lurking newbies something about spotting confirmation bias.
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I agree. And I appreciate it when people are able to assess things fairly contrary to political self interest.

Would that some of the Bush-haters here would show the same open skepticism when presented with some tale about their bete-noir.
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Not wishing to derail this outstanding thread, at a later date and time it would be interesting to learn when specifically you perceive the "Bush haters" to have dropped the skeptical ball, and to find out about your sampling method. <only partly joking>

This much is clear: If you look at the recent threads, there's not a lot of grist for we Bush haters to chew on. What I see is thread after thread of irrational, check that, borderline retarded Obama bashing to the point of self parody and beyond.

In no way meaning to detract from my first comment, you talk about bs detectors. The gibberish that this board is being spammed with could be knocked down by a gibbon.

In fact, brace yourselves fellow skeptics because this is extraordinary: In no uncertain terms, Michelle Malkin called the story at hand BS! link
 
Obama's web site now has a page devoted to debunking this rumor:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/notape

I doubt it will do much to satisfy those who didn't think his previous denial went far enough. What the page does is deny parts of each of several rumors. For example:

Lie:

On May 30th, Rush Limbaugh said he had heard a rumor that a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word “Whitey” from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ.
Truth:

No such tape exists. Michelle Obama has not spoken from the pulpit at Trinity and has not used that word.
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So there is a specific denial of her having used the word "whitey" and of her having spoken from the pulpit, and that "no such tape exists". It does not claim that there isn't any "rant tape", just not a tape from Trinity. Similarly:

Lie:

“The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women’s Event.”

Read the post
Truth:

Michelle Obama was not on a panel, and the Rainbow Push Conference was at the Sheraton.

See the schedule
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So it doesn't deny that she was at the event, or that she did not make a racist rant there, just that she wasn't on a panel and the rumor has the location of the event wrong.

I still feel that the burden of proof is on those that claim Michelle Obama made racist comments to produce credible evidence in the form of a tape or reliable witnesses or shut up. Media personalities that repeat such rumors on the air are being irresponsible gossip-mongers. But I would like to see a somewhat broader denial.
 
Actually, when I saw that earlier I was pretty satisified. It was denied clearly that the tape doesn't exist and she didn't use racist terminology. Should have just said that to begin with, in my opinion. It kind of blew up in his face anyway, should have came out of the gate swinging, but whatever.
 
dirtywick said:
Actually, when I saw that earlier I was pretty satisified. It was denied clearly that the tape doesn't exist and she didn't use racist terminology. Should have just said that to begin with, in my opinion. It kind of blew up in his face anyway, should have came out of the gate swinging, but whatever.
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Here I disagree. The site denies that there is a tape of her speaking from the pulpit of Trinity church. It denies that she used the term "whitey", not that she has ever used racist terminology.

Similarly, it does not deny that there is a tape of her speaking at the Rainbow/push conference, it just denies that she was on a panel there. The denial thus does not exclude the possibility that she stood up in a question and answer period and went on the supposed rant. Therefore, the denials will not satisfy her detractors.
 
gdnp said:
Here I disagree. The site denies that there is a tape of her speaking from the pulpit of Trinity church. It denies that she used the term "whitey", not that she has ever used racist terminology.
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True. They still haven't denied that she uses the word "gook," for example.
 
Nope. This is the problem with the technical lawyerly denials. It hearkens back to "I did not have sex with that woman." This would not be an issue if the Obama camp had said "Michelle has never used a racial slur of any sort during any public speech"
 
gdnp said:
Nope. This is the problem with the technical lawyerly denials. It hearkens back to "I did not have sex with that woman." This would not be an issue if the Obama camp had said "Michelle has never used a racial slur of any sort during any public speech"
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Ahhh, so you're saying she only uses racial slurs in private... :)

Actually, I know completely what you mean. For those who want to believe that the Obamas secretly hate America, nothing will convince them otherwise. It's the power of rumor. It need not be true if it supports your prejudice.
 
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