Michelle Obama's Whitey Video--Does It Exist?

When Obama called it "dirt and lies" we got complaints that it was far too broad an only a specific denial of the specific charges would satisfy his detractors.

Ok.

We now have a website were we have have a specific denial of each charge and the detractors say it only addresses the charges as written and not broader possibilities of misconduct.

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Just in case I missed it, is there any evidence of this tape? Links, screen shots, etc?

Shouldn't that be the ultimate arbitrator as to the truth of the claim?
 
quixotecoyote said:
When Obama called it "dirt and lies" we got complaints that it was far too broad an only a specific denial of the specific charges would satisfy his detractors.

Ok.

We now have a website were we have have a specific denial of each charge and the detractors say it only addresses the charges as written and not broader possibilities of misconduct.

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How about a laundry list denial ala Dr. Seuss?

I did not say it in a house.
I did not say it with a mouse.
I did not say it here or there.
I did not say it anywhere.
I did not use that racial slur.
I never did nohow, no sir.

Did you say it in a box?
Did you say it with a fox?

Not in a box.
Not with a fox.
Not in a house.
Not with a mouse.
I did not say it here or there.
I did not say it anywhere.
I did not use that racial slur.
I never did nohow, no sir...
 
quixotecoyote said:
When Obama called it "dirt and lies" we got complaints that it was far too broad an only a specific denial of the specific charges would satisfy his detractors.

Ok.

We now have a website were we have have a specific denial of each charge and the detractors say it only addresses the charges as written and not broader possibilities of misconduct.
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Hey, I'm an Obama supporter. The problem I see is that both the broad denial and the specific denials leave huge holes for something to have happened. What I would like to hear is something like this:

"There are rumors out there of the existence of a video where Michelle went on a racist rant in front of a black audience. No such video exists because no such "rant" ever happened. Michelle has never spoken from the pulpit of Trinity church. Michelle never even made a public speech at the Rainbow/push meeting. These rumors are entirely without merit. I challenge those spreading them to produce the tape or shut the ◊◊◊◊ up."

Well, he could probably phrase the last sentence more diplomatically.
 
The non denial denial, I believe, is the result of political CYA (cover your ass) syndrome. Take this case, for example. They always have to leave the possibility that some moron has fabricated such a tape. That way, when it surfaces, at least until they can prove it a forgery, their arse is covered. If they outright deny its existence, then at least until proven a forgery, they will be blasted as "LIARS"!.

IMO.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
The non denial denial, I believe, is the result of political CYA (cover your ass) syndrome. Take this case, for example. They always have to leave the possibility that some moron has fabricated such a tape. That way, when it surfaces, at least until they can prove it a forgery, their arse is covered. If they outright deny its existence, then at least until proven a forgery, they will be blasted as "LIARS"!.

IMO.

TAM:)
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I agree. I suspect that just about any candidate or candidate spouse has said things that they would not like to see show up on youtoob. So the blanket denial runs the risk that someone will come up with something that contradicts the denial, even if it had nothing to do with the original charge.
 
A relevant article ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25234989/


... Conservative columnists accuse her of being unpatriotic and say she simmers with undigested racial anger. A blogger who supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton circulates unfounded claims that Mrs. Obama gave an accusatory speech in her church about the sins of “whitey.” Mrs. Obama shakes her head.

“You are amazed sometimes at how deep the lies can be,” she says in an interview. Referring to a character in a 1970s sitcom, she adds: “I mean, ‘whitey’? That’s something that George Jefferson would say. Anyone who says that doesn’t know me. They don’t know the life I’ve lived. They don’t know anything about me.” ...
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As I said earlier, the REASON for this story was to create enough buzz that many people will believe that there was such a tape, a perception that will not go away on the negative information of its non-production.
 
Pookster said:
A relevant article ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25234989/
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“You are amazed sometimes at how deep the lies can be,” she says in an interview. Referring to a character in a 1970s sitcom, she adds: “I mean, ‘whitey’? That’s something that George Jefferson would say. Anyone who says that doesn’t know me. They don’t know the life I’ve lived. They don’t know anything about me.” ...
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A most eloquent response. It not only rebuts the specific charge, but also challenges, in a humorous way, the entire characterization that her opponents are trying to paint--It makes them look like clueless ideologues.
 
T.A.M. said:
yes I imagine the right wing blogs (and perhaps even some left wing) are desperate to find such a video.

TAM
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No, according to the International Tribune, it was a blog supporter of HRC that published the rumor.http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/...18michelle.php

If it is in existence, and the actions of Obama setting up a website apparently trying to flush out any such thing (a bad move) does little to diminish the possibility, it will be broadcase before the convention to try to throw the nomination to HRC.
 
jberryhill said:
Shall we ask John McCain if he ever used the word "gook" in reference to Vietnamese? Would you believe he didn't?
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Are you saying that Michele Obama was being tortured or shot at by whites when, and if, she ever used the term "whitey?" Do you have a link to this incident? If not, what does McCain's (and any other U.S. soldier/sailor/marine in country) slang for the North Vietnamese, VC, MLF, or Vietminh have to do with Michelle?

It seems you beleive that "whitey" is as offensive a pejorative as "gook?" How about Kraut, Jap, Nip, Limey, I Tie, etc? Are they equally as offensive?

BTW: "Gook" was also used during the Korean War.
 
gdnp said:
Ah. So as long as the rumor was initiated by a Clinton supporter, the right wing press has a free pass to continue to repeat it, even without any corroborating evidence.
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Pssh, they'd do that anyway. They've lied so hard and so long that truth isn't even something they accept as a philosophical concept.
 
Cicero said:
Once again, the left blames the right for an Obama smear when it was initiated by Clinton supporter, frequent and trusted guest of Keith Olbermann, and Dailykos diarist, Larry Johnson.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-and-louis-farrakhan-take-on-whitey/
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Four Republican sources have told me that the tape exists. I’ve also been informed that Karl Rove and his allies have a copy of it and are using it to raise funds for independent expenditure groups. The tape, I’m told, will be disclosed as the GOP October Surprise. It’s a ticking time bomb.
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Hmm.
 
gdnp said:
Ah. So as long as the rumor was initiated by a Clinton supporter, the right wing press has a free pass to continue to repeat it, even without any corroborating evidence.
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FOX News was not repeating it as fact. On the contrary, they were shooting holes in the story. Even John Gibson and Michele Malkin were doing their best to call the story nonsense.

I'm sure you were equally outraged when the vaunted left wing New York Times in February ran a front page above the fold story about how McCain might possibly have had an extra marital affair "without any corroborating evidence."

"All The News That's Fibbed To Print"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp
 
Cicero said:
FOX News was not repeating it as fact. On the contrary, they were shooting holes in the story. Even John Gibson and Michele Malkin were doing their best to call the story nonsense.

I'm sure you were equally outraged when the vaunted left wing New York Times in February ran a front page above the fold story about how McCain might possibly have had an extra marital affair "without any corroborating evidence."

"All The News That's Fibbed To Print"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp
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I really hope the explanation here is that you posted a bad link. That or the idea is we wouldn't actual click it.

Anyway, this is a classic Cicero red herring - another story that has less than nothing to do with the OP thrown into a debate when he thinks he's losing.
 
GreyICE said:
I really hope the explanation here is that you posted a bad link. That or the idea is we wouldn't actual click it.

Anyway, this is a classic Cicero red herring - another story that has less than nothing to do with the OP thrown into a debate when he thinks he's losing.
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That's not herring you are smelling, it's your double standard that's burning. So you never heard of this story perpetuated by the NYT's? Even after reading this it didn't bother you that they tried to insinuate, without any evidence or named sources, that McCain had an affair with this women? Strange that Democratic Party stalwart Bob Beckel, as well as Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers, condemned the NYT for this story.

Why is FOX News held to a higher standard than the NYT's?

You sure squirm a lot when the shoe is squeezing your liberal foot.
 
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Interesting article on the reaction in the liberal blogosphere to Larry Johnson's allegations.

But, by May and early June of this year, Johnson had become much more hated on the left than he ever was on the right. He was instrumental in spreading the rumor that Republican operatives possessed a tape of Barack Obama's wife Michelle railing against "whitey." The affair has turned some of Johnson's old friends and allies into raging, red-eyed enemies. "Smears of this type are unforgivable," wrote blogger Booman, who said that his friendship with Johnson had ended over the matter. "You're a sad and pathetic piece of [rule 10]," wrote Brad Reed of Sadly, No!. Daily Kos, the left-wing blogopolis where Johnson's diaries once drew upward of 400 comments, became a carnival of Johnson-bashing. "You," wrote Kos regular Bob Johnson (no relation), "and the denizens of your cesspool of hate have promoted and stoked every fringe-lunatic, rightwing smear of Obama."
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And:

It was the denial that Johnson didn't get a week earlier, but he wasn't satisfied. On the contrary, the fact that Obama's campaign told Time magazine that they'd heard about the rumor in April convinced Johnson of the veracity of his sources. Reached over e-mail on June 12, Johnson was unrepentant.

"There is a recording of Michelle saying disparaging things about white people," he wrote. "A person who saw the tape said the word 'whitey' was used. I don't know when or where she made the remarks. I do know that the Republicans who are circulating the tape don't want this out until after the convention. Those are the facts as I know them from multiple sources who do not know each other. I stand by their accounts."

And what of the bloggers who have written him out of the movement? What about his credibility? "I am amused that my 'credibility' is now in question," Johnson wrote. "The Democrats did not have such a problem when I was asked to deliver the response to President Bush's Saturday radio address in July of 2005. I have not changed. Some just don't like the message."
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Interesting discussion of Johnson's history as well, although I think it's a bit unfair to highlight Johnson's linking of Jason Leopold's (false) claim that Rove was about to be indicted for Plamegate. I'd guess that every liberal blog out there linked the story, almost all of them uncritically.
 
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