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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

And Hogwarts is in Scotland, reachable by a train that departs from London.
London and Scotland are real, Hogwarts isn't.

Plato's Atlantis was only ever meant as an allegory because he couldn't criticize the Athenian power structure directly. That does not mean that the physical setting for the story needs to be entirely fictional as well.

So once again: support your claims.
 
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You don't plow rain forests, nor can you see earlier plow marks in rain forests from above. Have you worked out why yet? :boggled:

Show me the "initial" plow width in scale? You did check that measurement, didn't you? :eye-poppi
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You plow the land before you plant the forests...

Looks like half a mile wide!

These lines are still visible anywhere a river has not washed them away.
 

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Porpoise of Life said:
And Hogwarts is in Scotland, reachable by a train that departs from London.
London and Scotland are real, Hogwarts isn't.

Plato's Atlantis was only ever meant as an allegory because he couldn't criticize the Athenian power structure directly. That does not mean that the physical setting for the story needs to be entirely fictional as well.

So once again: support your claims.
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I did.

The Pillars of Hercules is a land passage not a water one.

Maybe take a look at the site?
 
By 'support your claims' I of course meant 'provide evidence of the ruins of an advanced ancient city', not 'look for a place that matches the description in the story'.
 
What are the coords of that site?
Looks like an old open cast mine to me.
Without knowing whre it is we don't know so both suggestions are good.
 
That isn't a city it's a geological formation caused by erosion at different rates in different rock types.

It is known as the Richat Structure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richat_Structure

If you zoom in to the highest resolution you will see there are no walls at all, this was never a city.

Initially interpreted as an asteroid impact structure because of its high degree of circularity, the Richat Structure is now regarded by geologists as a highly symmetrical and deeply eroded geologic dome. After extensive field and laboratory studies, no credible evidence has been found for shock metamorphism or any type of deformation indicative of a hypervelocity extraterrestrial impact.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Are they (I predict yes) the same size and shape as the others I have posted?
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The shapes of all the fields you posted differed wildly, and neither the sizes nor the locations were given. So either you don't remember what you posted, or you're lying again.

More importantly: the existence of agricultural fields in the 21st century proves nothing about what was there 12000 years ago.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Mediterranean submerged grid garden:
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?

What are we supposed to be seeing in that picture?

More grid gardens? What size are they according to your measurements? If it's the horizontal lines in the mediterranean see floor, then they're spaced on the order of 8-10 miles apart.

Yet you've said that ALL of the grid gardens are the same size. Are now claiming that all of the grid field patterns you've posted are actually 8-10 miles in diameter? :confused:

You abandoned that claim when I asked you for specifics in the "Grid Garden" thread and said you "weren't sure" and I see you're back to claiming in this thread that all the grid gardens are the same size? Flip flopping that would make any politician proud.

Please explain what you mean when you say the grid gardens are all the same size? The same area? The same width and length? How much leeway is allowed before they are no longer acceptable as being the same size?

You're not going to give any answer to this, despite making the claim repeatedly, because it's obvious at even a casual glance that your "grid gardens" conform to no consistent size or shape and range and if anyone were to actually test your claim it would show it to be the meaningless wildly inaccurate nonsense it obviously is.

So please explain, with specifics, what you mean when you claim that all the grid garden are "the same size".
 
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King of the Americas said:
However, what I would add is that the "Pillars of Hercules" is not the straight of Gibraltar...They are two massive rectangular ranges in north Africa.
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Hey, you know how Plato said there was a strait? Yeah, he meant "large section of dry land". Oh, and when he said the strait was called the Pillars of Hercules he didn't mean the one right nearby that everyone calls the Pillars of Hercules... he meant some mountain ranges in Africa. So... yeah, easy mistake.

It's amazing how far KotA will mangle the Atlantis story while also insisting it's accurate.
 
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