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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

JesseCuster said:
What tree? :confused:

All you've provided is a blurry very low res screenshot in which we can't even read the information in the Google Earth measure tool box. And there's no co-ordinates available for anyone else to check the area.

So please provide the co-ordinates, exactly what it is you're measuring and claiming about it.

Otherwise this is just more useless **** cluttering up the thread. Nobody can do anything with these crappy unreadable screenshots that provide no useful information. It's beginning to look deliberate, so that you can make claims, claim you've provided evidence, but no-one else can actually check on any of your bizarre claims because you refuse to provide useful evidence.
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Can you see this?

https://imgur.com/hFQRezv
 
King of the Americas said:
I can't load the pictures differently...it keeps saying the file is too big.

What of this area is visible?

Lat. 0°44'26.79"N
Long. 16°29'54.69"E
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Well, I see a lot of low res jungle with an area of higher resolution mapping. What are we supposed to be seeing?

You do realise that the Google Maps are made of lots of pictures 'sewn' together?
This can result in artifacts that show as squares and rectangles, like the boundaries of the higher resolution mapping in this example.
 
30 November 2017: Lies again about his claim of "grid gardens"

King of the Americas said:
Stop telling lies and misrepresenting my argument.
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30 November 2017: Lies again about his claim of "grid gardens" which are raised fields often with a grid of mounds on them as in the paper he cited :eye-poppi!
29 November 2017: 2 lies about "same size and shape as their terrestrial counterparts"
Reality Check said:
Your "grid gardens" are the raised pre-Columbian fields that often have a pattern of mounds on them. The paper you based this on was
Pre-Columbian agricultural landscapes, ecosystem engineers, and self-organized patchiness in Amazonia (PDF)
All you have are fantasies about what you see on the sea floor under maybe kilometers of water on Google Earth.
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These are not the still unsourced images with rectangular "fields" of unstated size, no evidence of being raised and no grid of mounds. Plus the idiocy of being maybe kilometers below sea level!
 
King of the Americas said:
The first is one mile south of GT.

The ocean ones are near the second island of Hawaii...I think.
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One mile south of Göbekli Tepe is the village of Dagetegi and the village farms with a few orchards (Turkish and desert so date palms?).
The second image is doubly idiotic firstly what is shown is the ridges of the drop off from coastal waters into the ocean abyss :eye-poppi. Secondly even you do not seen to know where it is!

For others:
Google Earth shows the elevation of the terrain below the cursor! Make sure you are showing the status bar. Put the cursor over a location. Look at the status bar. It is easy to see the depths (negative "elev" after the coordinates).
It takes about 5 minutes to find other sources for the depths of oceans.
NOAA has an interactive bathymetry map. There is a massive concentration of surveys shown around the Hawaiian Islands which makes it easy to drill down to show them. Put you cursor over a point and wait a second for the depth to be shown in the lower left. Take Maui as an example. The coastal plain (the upper left hand corner of the KOTA image) slopes down to over 100 meters and then drops to over a kilometer between the islands.

ETA: For an interesting 3D view of the sea floor based on the soundings, drag the Street View icon onto an ocean location.
 
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A doubly stupid question because you have not given locations (maybe km in depth)

King of the Americas said:
Have you or anyone dated the underwater sites I have offered?
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30 November 2017: A doubly stupid question because you have not given locations (maybe kilometers in depth) of these underwater sites and assume it is possible to date these undersea sites.
Thus it is impossible for anyone to date them.

30 November 2017: Reveals a lie about dating and Göbekli Tepe.
You know that Göbekli Tepe was abandoned about 10,00 years ago. Thus Göbekli Tepe cannot fit Easter Island, Chile in the 1960's, pre-Columbian cultures founded in the last 2000 years or any other culture that has existed in the last 10,000 years.
 
King of the Americas said:
I can't load the pictures differently...it keeps saying the file is too big.

What of this area is visible?

Lat. 0°44'26.79"N
Long. 16°29'54.69"E
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You do not have to load the pictures - anyone can use Google Earth.
0°44'26.79"N 16°29'54.69"E is a blurry image of rain forest at the lowest possible elevation before ground level view starts (~1100 ft.). Zoom out to 13.5 miles and still rain forest at that location :jaw-dropp!
 
King of the Americas said:
Okay, serious question...

If someone found Atlantis, truly, where should it be announced or to whom?
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Google "peer review archaeology journal"

I can't personally vouch for a particular one, because I'm a chemist, not an archaeologist.

There are kooks and woo-slingers trying to publish their claptrap in journals just like they post on web fora, so you need to have some degree of critical thinking skills, or trust someone who does. Good luck with that.

Given the extremely low quality of the 'data' here and elsewhere supporting the existence of Atlantis, I would be skeptical of any publication claiming such a discovery.
 
King of the Americas said:
Okay, serious question...

If someone found Atlantis, truly, where should it be announced or to whom?
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If they had truly serious evidence then the obvious candidate is Nature (Archaeology). Nature is regarded as one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the world and has rigorous peer review to safeguard their reputation. The evidence for the announcement will be peer reviewed by experienced archeologists.

The quality of "evidence" presented in this thread will not get an announcement in any credible journal. If you have a spare few thousand dollars that are predatory journals that will publish just about anything.

ETA: For example look at the beginning of this thread where you have no idea where the mythical Atlantis is or that Plato was a philosopher who made up a character (Critias) who recites a story about Atlantis at a specific location to illustrate a philosophical point.
 
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Reality Check said:
If they had truly serious evidence then the obvious candidate is Nature (Archaeology). Nature is regarded as one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the world and has rigorous peer review to safeguard their reputation. The evidence for the announcement will be peer reviewed by experienced archeologists.

The quality of "evidence" presented in this thread will not get an announcement in any credible journal. If you have a spare few thousand dollars that are predatory journals that will publish just about anything.
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Nature was my first thought, but I heard a rumor that they had been taken over by a mind-controlling fungus (or a malevolent, sapient Pepsi Bottle, I always get them mixed-up). You can't be too careful.
 
King of the Americas said:
The African Rainforests were "plowed" before they were planted.
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You don't plow rain forests, nor can you see earlier plow marks in rain forests from above. Have you worked out why yet? :boggled:

King of the Americas said:
Nope...I think that the grid gardens may be following this initial plowing.
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Show me the "initial" plow width in scale? You did check that measurement, didn't you? :eye-poppi
 
Matthew Ellard said:
You don't plow rain forests, nor can you see earlier plow marks in rain forests from above. Have you worked out why yet? :boggled:

Show me the "initial" plow width in scale? You did check that measurement, didn't you? :eye-poppi
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Maybe Paul Bunyan and Babe had cousins in Atlantis?
 
John Jones said:
Google "peer review archaeology journal"

I can't personally vouch for a particular one, because I'm a chemist, not an archaeologist.

There are kooks and woo-slingers trying to publish their claptrap in journals just like they post on web fora, so you need to have some degree of critical thinking skills, or trust someone who does. Good luck with that.

Given the extremely low quality of the 'data' here and elsewhere supporting the existence of Atlantis, I would be skeptical of any publication claiming such a discovery.
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So, since I am not the first to find and identify this site, I see no reason to contact Nature, just yet.

However, what I would add is that the "Pillars of Hercules" is not the straight of Gibraltar...They are two massive rectangular ranges in north Africa.

You can see that between them is a parallel corridor 200 miles wide, and after passing through, to the south west is the Eye of the Sahara.

It's 25 miles wide, and is not an impact crater. Just west is another circular impression, and of course the area is surrounded by old grid gardens.

It looks like a tsunami delivered a poop-ton of sand through the pillars and over the blue circles...

Due north is Posiden's pitchfork, and I've found ruins around parts of the north rim.

There are other similar formations in other parts of africa, but none look like that!
 

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