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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

Cosmic Yak said:
You previously claimed there were huge stone pyramids on every continent.
I notice your new phraseology.
Are you now retreating from your earlier claim? If not, could you please indicate where we might see the Australian and Antarctic pyramids? If you are backing off ffom your claim, is this because it was unevidenced and made-up, or has something come along to make you reconsider the evidence you must have had to have made that claim in the first place?
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Nope.

I posted pictures of pyramids from almost every continent...

Aussie Pyramids?

Google Earth:

Lat. 32° 9'4.50"S

Long. 137°20'21.06"E
 
King of the Americas said:
Nope.

I posted pictures of pyramids from almost every continent...

Aussie Pyramids?

Google Earth:

Lat. 32° 9'4.50"S

Long. 137°20'21.06"E
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Jesus K Christ, KOTA is there any fringe idea you won't accept? lol

You are indeed a king, a king of unintended comedy...well done

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gympie_Pyramid

The Gympie Pyramid is a low terraced hill located in the outskirts of Gympie in Queensland, Australia probably created by European immigrants in the late 19th or early 20th century.
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Brown, Elaine (9 September 2006). "Gympie historian says facts don't lie as Pyramid doesn't add up". The Gympie Times. p. p23.
 
King of the Americas said:
Maybe, I have no idea...what elevation are the caves at?

Were they painted only the once, or have they been retouched?
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You have hit on the main objection to your civilization theory.
You claim that any evidence other than the stones has been washed away.
That relies on the civilization only occupying coastal plains where there could be a big enough flood or rise in level to wash everything away.

I live in a village only a mile from the cliffs on the North Yorkshire coast but I am at an elevation of over five hundred feet. It would be a hell of a flood needed to wash away any evidence of my village.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
That could mean carrier pigeons or rafts. What exactly was 'advanced' and what did they use to carve the stones that was any more 'advanced' than the tools that we know about?
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Transoceanic rafts? Intercontinental carrier pigeons? These are interesting things, but is there any evidence for the use of such communications on a global scale at the end of the Ice Age? The distribution of grain pollen, as I have argued, is evidence that no such civilisation, advanced or not, then existed.
 
Craig B said:
Transoceanic rafts? Intercontinental carrier pigeons? These are interesting things, but is there any evidence for the use of such communications on a global scale at the end of the Ice Age? The distribution of grain pollen, as I have argued, is evidence that no such civilisation, advanced or not, then existed.
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Very big rafts.

I am interested in the idea that the monoliths on Easter Island are supposedly part of this ancient civilization.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Very big rafts.

I am interested in the idea that the monoliths on Easter Island are supposedly part of this ancient civilization.
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Easter island date are pretty solid

http://www.hilites.org.uk/easter-island/the-dating-of-easter-island

I know the lead author of the study, Hunt.

To have anything to do with GT said "lost civilization" would have to have been REALLY lost sailing around for 10,000 years.

We desperately need more reliable radiocarbon dates, particularly for the overthrow of the statues and for the activities on Orongo.
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Lets see if KOTA jumps on this quote and - gets it wrong again....lol
 
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King of the Americas said:
Nope.

I posted pictures of pyramids from almost every continent.
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You're almost certainly going to ignore this, but what the hell...
That picture of those pyramids you posted had dates next to the structures.

All but the first few were constructed between the 6th and 19th century CE if I recall correctly.

How could those have been constructed by a civilisation that supposedly vanished 12000 years ago?

Even the oldest structures in your little picture were built millennia after the terminus ante quem for your antediluvian society.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
That could mean carrier pigeons or rafts. What exactly was 'advanced' and what did they use to carve the stones that was any more 'advanced' than the tools that we know about?
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Yep- global raft-pigeons. They did what takes us wires and satellites, with mere birds and sticks.

Sounds practiced to an advanced degree to me.
 
Hans said:
Easter island date are pretty solid

http://www.hilites.org.uk/easter-island/the-dating-of-easter-island

I know the lead author of the study, Hunt.

To have anything to do with GT said "lost civilization" would have to have been REALLY lost sailing around for 10,000 years.



Lets see if KOTA jumps on this quote and - gets it wrong again....lol
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I think Easter Island is being re-dated. There are two erection periods for the statues. The later only include the top half of once larger versions.

At the bottom of each, are hands that wrap around the front hold a small square box or bag. GT has the same hands and box or bag.

With its present land mass, EI is only capable of holding about 17,000 workers. There are 880+ statues...the building must have started long ago.

Many of the statues are buried with over 40 feet of overburden, covering up their detailed lower halves.
 
Hans said:
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Domestication. Is that type of grain found at GT? Nope, is it found at later sites? Yep.
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NOTHING was found at GT.

No pottery, tools, wheat shards, writing utensils...nothing about who or how it was made.

Using what happened at other sites, to say what did or didn't happen at GT where there is no evidence of anything, except damn-impressive ruins, connected to Easter Island, and likely astrally aligned...is folly.

Like all of the other ancient stone monuments around the world, these are evidences of a lost civilization we know little about...other than they were great stone masons...
 
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King of the Americas said:
I think Easter Island is being re-dated. There are two erection periods for the statues. The later only include the top half of once larger versions.
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Oh based on what? How do you deny the existing C-14 dates?

With its present land mass, EI is only capable of holding about 17,000 workers. There are 880+ statues...the building must have started long ago.
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Oh what how long does one take to make? Do you know how they were made - oh before you answered a number of them were left unfinished - with the tools next to them.....

Many of the statues are buried with over 40 feet of overburden, covering up their detailed lower halves.
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So? Many clearly show their lower halves and were never buried. Have you ever walked around the quarry at Rano Raraku? Do you know why some of the statue got covered up?
 
King of the Americas said:
NOTHING was found at GT.

No pottery, tools, wheat shards, writing utensils...nothing about who or how it was made.
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Oh so you've finally noticed that huh? So it came to you that there is no connection between GT and the imaginary lost civilization? Well you are making progress.

Using what happened at other sites, to say what did or didn't happen at GT where there is no evidence of anything, except damn-impressive ruins, connected to Easter Island, and likely astrally aligned...is folly.
It is folly to use your lack of knowledge as a basis to make sweeping declarations about things you don't understand. Funny thou.

Like all of the other ancient stone monuments around the world, these are evidences of a lost civilization we know little about...other than they were great stone masons...
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Nope, still wrong, still no evidence of a lost civilization - how many times do you want to prove your depth of ignorance on this?

Again your opinion is worthless. Why don't you try to follow the evidence instead?
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John Jones said:
HAHAHAHAHA!

Look what you wrote!
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Yeah his response is classic. I suspect he'll start up with 'mental powers' which of course leave no evidence - the final bolt hole for fringe fleeing reality.
 
Göbekli Tepe is in Turkey and has no evidence of any agriculture

King of the Americas said:
PPN...?
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Ignorance and a display of deep ignorance about the Earth or maybe even English :p!.
This is Göbekli Tepe which has no evidence of any advanced agricultural civilization.
Göbekli Tepe is in Turkey, not China which is the subject of the irrelevant 2009 article World's Oldest Pottery?

Pre-Pottery Neolithic (PPN) is obvious in Göbekli Tepe.

Can you understand that Göbekli Tepe is in Turkey and has no evidence of any agriculture contrary to your claim of an "advanced agricultural civilization"?
Alternately:
9 November 2017: Present your evidence of an "advanced agricultural civilization" at Göbekli Tepe
 
Present your evidence of a "globally connected" civilization

King of the Americas said:
*A globally connected world is advanced.
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That make us the only advanced civilization (think about this forum!) that has ever existed :p!
Followed by "Microspherials..." nonsense maybe about the disputed claim of a Younger Dryas impact hypothesis about a comet impact. FYI a asteroid is not a comet!

9 November 2017: Present your evidence of a "globally connected" civilization about 12,900 BP (start of the Younger Dryas).
E.g. American Indian artifacts being found in European sites of that date or vice versa. Ditto for Asian artifacts & Europe. What about South America artefacts & Africa?
 
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