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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

King of the Americas said:
Nigeria border with Cambodia, near some big ass mountains carved to resemble pyramids...I think.
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Well?! I suggest you look at some maps. The countries that border Cambodia are Laos, Thailand and Vietnam. And Cambodia is in Southeast Asia. Nigeria is in West Africa thousands of miles away to the west.
 
Unsourced image for "African rainforest was plowed before it was planted" delusions

King of the Americas said:
Nope...
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And then confirms that his "lines" only appear at certain resolutions!
4 December 2017: Unsourced image for his "African rainforest was plowed before it was planted" delusions.
  1. It is deluded to imagine that hundreds of square miles of rain forest were plowed and planted in rainforest!
  2. Rainforests have basically solid canopies that hide the ground.
  3. Plow furrows are a few inches high and a couple of feet apart - they are not his delusion of furrows half a mile apart.
  4. Plow furrows are a few inches high and a couple of feet apart - they are not visible in images taken at heights of miles.
  5. etc.
Reality Check said:
This is what an honest person does: Here is an African rainforest at 0°44'26.79"N 16°29'54.69"E. Plug the location into Google Earth and make your own measurements to see if there are visible plow furrows. These will be a few inches high and a foot or of few feet apart because that is what ploughs do!
I go to 0°44'26.79"N 16°29'54.69"E. From 187 miles up no lines. From 100 miles up no lines. At 69 miles no lines appear but light and dark swaths do appear. At 40 miles up the fuzzy swaths are more obvious. This is about the scale of the KOTA image. The image is covered in trees.

It is idiotic to claim to see plow furrows below a rainforest tree canopy. It is idiotic to claim to see any plow furrows at all from a height of 40 miles. When the swaths are tens of miles long and half a mile of so wide we are into the realm of a completely deluded claim that they are plow furrows.

Now zoom down to 10 miles up - the swaths vanish. Thus we have some kind of processing artifact, probably the stitching together of the strips of terrain that satellites photograph.
At 40 miles the sources were Landsat / Copernicus (Copernicus Programme)?
At 10 miles, there is an added source of DigitalGlobe with its own remote sensing spacecraft.

Now continue zooming down until we can see hints of tree tops - no plow furrows there :eek:!

KOTA ignorance of Google Earth includes that it has historical images. Go to 2012 at an altitude of 17 miles and there are clearer swathes which go through the river.
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A volcano delusion to explain an insane sand wash delusion

King of the Americas said:
A volcano....
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4 December 2017: A volcano delusion to explain an insane sand wash delusion
KOTA has the insane delusion that sand was washed out of the Mediterranean Sea many miles inland to form a sand wash that is obviously sand blown through a mountain pass. So he makes up a delusion of a volcano existing in the very well mapped Mediterranean area!
 
Ignorance abut the fact that Giggle Earth images are processed to remove artefacts

King of the Americas said:
The lines stop at the river...
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King of the Americas said:
BECAUSE YOU ARE USING POOP-POOR IMAGES!
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YOU ARE IGNORANTLY USING THE SAME GOOGLE EARTH "POOP-POOR" IMAGES!
4 December 2017: Ignorance abut the fact that Google Earth images are processed to try to eliminate artefacts including clouds.
What we see in Google Earth are not the raw satellite images. They are a mosaic of many images of a location taken over time. That allows the removal of clouds and the reduction of artefacts.

More about the new Landsat / Sentinel 2 data in Google Earth
In many locations you will notice narrow stripes in the imagery. This is because of a faulty part on the Landsat 7 satellite. Learn more about it in this post.

The mosaics are created by trying to select imagery from throughout a given year then selecting cloud and snow free pixels where possible. However, there are a few locations on earth that are almost always cloudy, a problem we discussed in this post.

This location in Cameroon features both Landsat 7 stripes and clouds that just could not be eliminated.
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In KOTA's world, the snow fields of Greenland were insanely plowed with furrows half a mile wide and many miles long :eye-poppi!
Why there are stripes in the snow on Greenland?
you download a Landsat 7 image captured after May 31, 2003, it looks like the image below. There is a clear strip down the centre, but the rest of the image has long spikes going out to the sides.
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Google could update Google Earth with better quality Landsat 8 imagery, or even Sentinel imagery, but since not many people look at the northern coast of Greenland, they don’t seem to have made it a high priority.
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To rational people who can read there was a faulty part on the Landsat 7 satellite that caused the stripes in these images. As of May 9, 2016, Google had not updated the Greenland or (as KOTA is making obvious) some African rainforest images to images from a correctly working satellite.
 
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Who plowed up the Greenland snowfields

King of the Americas said:
Maybe, but I think it is more likely, that they 'think' this is what's happening when they interlace the images.
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Ignorance of "interlace the images" for stripes from a Landsat 7 component failure.
More about the new Landsat / Sentinel 2 data in Google Earth
SLC-off Products: Background
On May 31, 2003, the Scan Line Corrector (SLC), which compensates for the forward motion of Landsat 7, failed. Subsequent efforts to recover the SLC were not successful, and the failure appears to be permanent. Without an operating SLC, the Enhanced Thematic Mapper Plus (ETM+) line of sight now traces a zig-zag pattern along the satellite ground track (Figure 1). As a result, imaged area is duplicated, with width that increases toward the scene edge.
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And the stripes only appear in Landsat 7 images after May 31, 2003.

4 December 2017: Who plowed up the Greenland snowfields with miles wide furrows covering the entire continent?
Why there are stripes in the snow on Greenland?
 
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Reality Check said:
4 December 2017: A "mountains carved to resemble pyramids" delusion.

Misses an obvious error in his post - Nigeria is in Africa, Cambodia is in Asia! Without looking at a map I guessed that "Cambodia" should be Cameroon and Wikipedia confirms it.
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That was some deep wealth of neo-crazy: "The Nigeria-Cambodia border". I thought he had suffered a stroke, or just found a new game to play somewhere else.
 
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Hans said:
Unlikely, he has a fine stage for trolling here. Well except that no one takes him seriously. lol
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Well if he took a one week vacation he'll be back today or tomorrow

Edited to add - yes he did check in but didn't post
 
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Trebuchet said:
He's far from the only one. Why don't you all just stop feeding them? The forum has a useful function I'm not allowed to talk about that can help with that.
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Yes, I don't engage him anymore but I do love the unintended comedy he generates.
 
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