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Michael Flynn charged

Upchurch said:
True, it is still early and a lot could still happen, but it is not just my opinion.

There is no reason for Flynn to not fight the measly charge if it's not part of a deal to get out of something worse. He plead guilty because Mueller made it worth it.
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Pleading to a weak process crime doesn’t say much for Muellers case.
 
plague311 said:
He easily could have fought it. People take lesser **** to trial all of the time, and with just as much, if not more, evidence. He could have trotted out any myriad of defenses, but he didn't. He was charged and plead without as much as a whimper.
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Takes money to do that, why fight it when you’re presented with an easy out.
 
What would be hilarious is if the Trump regime falls because of obstruction of justice and it is found out that they were trying to cover up a non-crime in the first place!
 
thaiboxerken said:
What would be hilarious is if the Trump regime falls because of obstruction of justice and it is found out that they were trying to cover up a non-crime in the first place!
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Have you too forgotten about the Donnie Jr meeting with the Russians? And all those coincidentally timed Trump announcements about dirt soon to be released? Then there was the change in the GOP platform on the Ukraine? Trump's not so successful efforts getting Russian sanctions overturned and his current foot dragging about implementing some new ones?

Are people really that distracted by current events that they cannot keep the recent past events in their line of sight as well?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Have you too forgotten about the Donnie Jr meeting with the Russians? And all those coincidentally timed Trump announcements about dirt soon to be released? Then there was the change in the GOP platform on the Ukraine? Trump's not so successful efforts getting Russian sanctions overturned and his current foot dragging about implementing some new ones?

Are people really that distracted by current events that they cannot keep the recent past events in their line of sight as well?
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A big juicy nothing burger. ;)
 

Dowd said Monday that White House lawyers did not expressly tell Trump that Flynn had lied to the FBI before he was fired. Rather, he said, Trump was told that Flynn "had said to the agents what he said to VP."

If Trump knew Flynn committed a possible felony by lying to FBI investigators, that could be a significant admission when it comes to obstruction of justice, according to lawyers who have followed the investigation.

“It’s harmful to him,” Georgetown University law professor Michael Seidman said. “If he knew that somebody committed a violation and is trying to stop the investigation, that makes it much harder to prove that it wasn’t corrupt.”
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Story.
 
Stacko said:
Story.
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From that article:
[/quote]Trump has denied that he asked Comey to drop the investigation. But his chief lawyer, John Dowd, suggested Monday it wouldn’t even matter if he had – because a president cannot obstruct justice by telling the FBI how he hopes a criminal investigation will be resolved.[/quote]
IOW, if the president does it, it's not illegal.
 
kellyb said:
I'm not familiar with that website, but that does seems like a reasonable argument presented.
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Seemingly unknown to Kislyak and Flynn US the FBI was recording the call.

On what planet is that "reasonable" ?
 
Childlike Empress said:
How could he fight them? There's no doubt he lied about these things. But there could be a reason for Mueller to get this off the table without much more attention to how the lying came about. If you have some time, here's a detailed argument along those lines. We'll see what happens but I'm pretty sure it will turn out that your opinion is based on flawed information.
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Odd that you should ask, "How could he fight them?" in the same post where you link to someone suggesting he should fight them by claiming entrapment. There is another poster here who suggests that any evidence coming from Mueller's investigation can be challenged as inadmissible because the investigation itself was not legally justified. It would appear that Flynn and his lawyer agree with me that neither of those defenses would likely succeed.
 
kellyb said:
I'm not familiar with that website, but that does seems like a reasonable argument presented.
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Really? The article claims that if Mueller didn't charge Flynn for a Logan Act violation, then it's "conclusively established that there was nothing unlawful about Flynn’s conversations with Kislyak." That's not what I call a "reasonable argument" since Mueller also didn't charge Flynn with being an unregistered foreign agent or for lying on his security form or for conspiring to commit kidnapping. Does that "conclusively establish" that he didn't commit those crimes, or does it imply that he has a really good story to tell in exchange for dropping those charges? (Yes, I'm asking you a question that I already know the answer to, which according to another "reasonable argument" in that article is entrapment.)
 
logger said:
Takes money to do that, why fight it when you’re presented with an easy out.
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Spoken by someone who has never been convicted of a felony.

Let me tell you from personal experience, it's a constant form of concern for every application, resume, or attempt at doing anything you want. Having a felony is used as fodder if trying to run for anything public, or being in the public at all.

It's a public record and once you plead guilty it's next to impossible to get taken off of your record. There is nothing easy about having a felony, no matter what.
 
plague311 said:
Spoken by someone who has never been convicted of a felony.

Let me tell you from personal experience, it's a constant form of concern for every application, resume, or attempt at doing anything you want. Having a felony is used as fodder if trying to run for anything public, or being in the public at all.

It's a public record and once you plead guilty it's next to impossible to get taken off of your record. There is nothing easy about having a felony, no matter what.
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You’re not understanding. Flynn has said this is ruining and bankrupting his family. He’s literally forced into this which is what this process is designed to do. You’ve obviously never gone up against people who have an unlimited amount of resources. ;)
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Seemingly unknown to Kislyak and Flynn US the FBI was recording the call.

On what planet is that "reasonable" ?
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We shouldn't spy on the Russian ambassador when there is an investigation of Russian interference in our election and hacking a major party's emails? :boggled:

OK never mind, I see your correction.

Pretty much the fact this stuff happened makes it reasonable it could happen doesn't it? These guys all seem to be blatant blunderers. Perhaps they just felt invulnerable.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Perhaps they just felt invulnerable.
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I think this is exactly the case. They felt that they own the government so they could do anything and get away with it. Trump is still enjoying this fiction because the Republicans are letting him get away with it.
 
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