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Michael Flynn charged

johnny karate said:
If you keep repeating that while clicking your heels together three times, maybe you’ll be magically transported back to Kansas.
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Lol

Seems to be the left hoping, wishing, flat out begging! You’ve got nothing again.

Care to make an argument against the article I posted, instead of playing games?
 
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WilliamSeger said:
Lol, that perspective being denial. Mueller had Flynn by the short hairs on the foreign agent stuff and the lying on a sworn security form, at least, just on stuff we already knew. Flynn's pattern of deceptiveness would have been sufficient to prove criminal intent. To get just the one charge, Flynn's lawyers would have told Mueller exactly what he was willing to testify to, and obviously Mueller decided it was worth the trade.
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And this obviously shows how large the nothing burger is?
 
Pro tip: it is possible to not respond to posts that don't advance the debate.
 
logger said:
Care to make an argument against the article I posted, instead of playing games?
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The argument rests entirely on the fact that Flynn plead guilty to a relatively small crime of perjury rather than conspiracy. If course, that is pure conjecture as to what Mueller would be willing to give up on indicting Flynn to get Flynn to give testimony against those higher up the food chain.

Your article is wishful thinking, rather than an actual argument.
 
logger said:
Lol

Seems to be the left hoping, wishing, flat out begging! You’ve got nothing again.

Care to make an argument against the article I posted, instead of playing games?
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Donald Trump walks out of the White House in cuffs.

Logger:

"It's the left hoping for something real! Nothing to see here"

Come on man. Up your game. That's pathetic.
 
Upchurch said:
The argument rests entirely on the fact that Flynn plead guilty to a relatively small crime of perjury rather than conspiracy. If course, that is pure conjecture as to what Mueller would be willing to give up on indicting Flynn to get Flynn to give testimony against those higher up the food chain.

Your article is wishful thinking, rather than an actual argument.
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So Mueller could have charged on a more serious crime and he’s choosing not to because that will get him those larger fish?
 
logger said:
So Mueller could have charged on a more serious crime and he’s choosing not to because that will get him those larger fish?
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That seems to be his M.O, let the lower fruit off with a lesser charge and sentence than they were facing, in exchange for a plea deal and cooperation and testimony against their bosses. Worked when he brought down the NYC Mob, and seems to be working pretty well in taking down the Drumpf Cartell too. What's the nothing burger at now? Two Guilty Pleas with Co-operations and agreements to testify against bigger targets, and 2 more indictments. That's a lot of nothing...
 
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logger said:
Lol

Seems to be the left hoping, wishing, flat out begging! You’ve got nothing again.
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Again, make sure to click your heels together. Three times.

Care to make an argument against the article I posted, instead of playing games?
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I don't see a need to do what the majority of legal analysts in the media have already done.
 
PhantomWolf said:
That seems to be his M.O, let the lower fruit off with a lesser charge and sentence than they were facing, in exchange for a plea deal and cooperation and testimony against their bosses. Worked when he brought down the NYC Mob, and seems to be working pretty well in taking down the Drumpf Cartell too. What's the nothing burger at now? Two Guilty Pleas with Co-operations and agreements to testify against bigger targets, and 2 more indictments. That's a lot of nothing...
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How is a simple process crime plea going to give Mueller bigger fish?
 
logger said:
Seems to be the left hoping, wishing, flat out begging! You’ve got nothing again.
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In the past few short months since Mueller started his investigation, you have had charges laid against 4 individuals. And it appears that further investigations are ongoing. (Compare that to the Kenneth Starr investigations into Clinton that supposedly had a much larger scope, yet resulted in.... 0 arrests, one supposed perjury charge that didn't go anywhere, and one stained dress.

If significant charges against 4 individuals are "nothing", then just out of curiosity what would you consider "something"?
Care to make an argument against the article I posted, instead of playing games?
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Lets see... how about the fact that it appears to be an outlier (where pretty much every other source actually suggests that Flynn's plea was a significant development.)

As for the content of the article, it seems to be fixated on the fact that the charges aren't related to "conspiracy". But that is not a necessity for any of those convicted to provide testimony against others in the Trump organization.
 
logger said:
How is a simple process crime plea going to give Mueller bigger fish?
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The list of possible charges against Flynn was rather long - failing to register as a foreign agent, attempted kidnapping, etc.

That all he got was basically a ticket is a sure sign that he was let off of those other charges. But as was said by Judge Napolitano, (On FOX, which I assume means it's real?) that didn't come free.
 
Segnosaur said:
In the past few short months since Mueller started his investigation, you have had charges laid against 4 individuals. And it appears that further investigations are ongoing. (Compare that to the Kenneth Starr investigations into Clinton that supposedly had a much larger scope, yet resulted in.... 0 arrests, one supposed perjury charge that didn't go anywhere, and one stained dress.
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Interesting, but I seem to remember lots of people were convicted of things that had nothing to do with the actual reason for the investigation.
If significant charges against 4 individuals are "nothing", then just out of curiosity what would you consider "something"?
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So far nothing to do with collusion, you do remember what this is supposed to be about?
Lets see... how about the fact that it appears to be an outlier (where pretty much every other source actually suggests that Flynn's plea was a significant development.)
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Every other source! Fascinating
As for the content of the article, it seems to be fixated on the fact that the charges aren't related to "conspiracy". But that is not a necessity for any of those convicted to provide testimony against others in the Trump organization.
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And yet it might get Flynn off the hook, just pleading guilty to a tiny little process crime?
 
logger said:
How is a simple process crime plea going to give Mueller bigger fish?
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Seriously? You really don't understand the concept of a plea deal?

A defendant and prosecutor can work out a plea deal to cut out some charges in exchange for relevant testimony (such as "Was the Kush/DonnyJr/Racist Orangunan personally involved in Russian collusion"). There is no legal requirement that the person taking the plea deal be charged with conspiracy or any other crime. It is only important that they have testimony and/or evidence relevant to the other case.

Given the number of crimes that Flynn could have been charged with, the fact that there is only one in the pipeline suggests (at least to most rational people) that Flynn is giving testimony or other evidence against others in the Trump organization.
 
It is kinda unfortunate to see so much noise wasted on more noise in an important and previously highly informative thread.
 
NoahFence said:
The list of possible charges against Flynn was rather long - failing to register as a foreign agent, attempted kidnapping, etc.

That all he got was basically a ticket is a sure sign that he was let off of those other charges. But as was said by Judge Napolitano, (On FOX, which I assume means it's real?) that didn't come free.
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Yeah, I can’t even begin to imagine what Mueller got for this process crime?
 
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