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Michael Brown Shooting

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Kestrel said:
Where I live, people routinely jog or run in the streets even where sidewalks are available. For the most part, the cops ignore it. But I don't live in a town that balances the books by writhing tickets for trivial offenses. Knowing that the people who get the tickets can't afford to fight them. Michael Brown lived in that kind of community. A system almost guaranteed to generate mutual disrespect between the police and community.
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That would be relevant if he was jogging or running in the streets. I'm going to go on a ledge and say that he wasn't wearing his afternoon jogging clothes. It's been stated that they were leisurely strolling in the middle of the road. I would be more than willing to bet the people you are referring to run or jog on the side of the road, not right down the middle.

These one-off, anecdotal tales about individuals neighborhoods is doing nothing to further a point, and I mean that on both sides of the coin. This man didn't deserve to be shot, I don't believe. However, he wasn't shot for walking down the middle of the *********** road. He was shot for assaulting an officer. This nonsense of street width and random personal tales is good for nothing.
 
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Unabogie said:
On this note, people are always walking down the middle of my street on the way to the park. I just checked on Google maps, and it's 30 feet across. I see the local policeman drive by all the time, and we have nice conversations. He's never asked me to move even once, even though I'm taking up space with my dogs on their leashes.

Also, there are other people who have come into contact with Darren Wilson who found him to be rude and aggressive.

http://gawker.com/woman-claims-darren-wilson-told-her-to-shut-the-****-u-1622383830

Of course we should ignore this girl because Oprah or something.
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This makes zero sense. By her account, she's on private property (Quick trip) where the people in charge of said property, the employees, are helping her, and the cop just walks up and starts hassling and cussing her out, on private property, for no reason whatsoever? Seriously? CNN has no credibility anymore ether. :rolleyes:
 
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Axiom_Blade said:
Sure, but all of the stories seem to corroborate pretty well. All of them except for Wilson's, that is. AFAIK, the only witness claiming that Brown tried to charge at him is Wilson himself. In fact, Wilson is the only witness claiming that Brown assaulted him at all, right? In fact, I think that Wilson's circumstances place his account as the least objective. Why should I believe his account, but disbelieve everybody else's? After all, of all of these people, Wilson has the best reason to lie, because he has the most to lose.

And his account is the odd one out...
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As pointed out, we don't have Wilsons account, except 2nd/3rd hand.

And the story has been, from the beginning, that there was an altercation initially at the car - which Crenshaw and Mitchell agree - that was the impetus for the ensuing altercation, and the reason why Wilson shot him.

We will have to see what the additional evidence (injuries, fingerprints, other witness accounts, etc) are. but with no other evidence right now, I don't see this getting beyond a reasonable doubt.

And it's much more complex than "all of the stories seem to corroborate pretty well"
 
Unabogie said:
On this note, people are always walking down the middle of my street on the way to the park. I just checked on Google maps, and it's 30 feet across. I see the local policeman drive by all the time, and we have nice conversations. He's never asked me to move even once, even though I'm taking up space with my dogs on their leashes.

Also, there are other people who have come into contact with Darren Wilson who found him to be rude and aggressive.

http://gawker.com/woman-claims-darren-wilson-told-her-to-shut-the-****-u-1622383830

Of course we should ignore this girl because Oprah or something.
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Remind me, where does gawker fall on the WND scale of reliable web sites ?
 
LTC8K6 said:
I can't figure out why it would take more than 2 weeks to present the case to the grand jury.
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They only meet once a week and they are also considering other cases.

So if they started last Wednesday, they may have only heard an hour or two of testimony so far.
 
plague311 said:
Oh come on, seriously. You've chewed multiple people out on in this thread for not being skeptical of events. An unidentified woman tells a story that can't be backed up about a police officer that recently got in trouble and that doesn't throw up ANY warning signs to you? I don't normally have issue, but that is the opposite of skepticism. She's going to be arrested for pouring milk in her eyes? There can't even be a law against that, unless she refuses to pay for the milk. Then she goes on to say that her eyes are burning like mad, she can't get them to stop, but she can clearly make out his name tag to remember it and pray to god for revenge? That is beyond stupid and contradicting. Have you ever been maced? This is just laughable.
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Oh, sure, you might be right. But she also may have come into contact with Darren Wilson and he may have yelled at her like Dorian Johnson says he did to them. Not everyone is as calm and collected when talking to the media as "Josie" is and she could have simply muffed her story once the cameras were on. It deserves further investigation, doesn't it?
 
Unabogie said:
On this note, people are always walking down the middle of my street on the way to the park. I just checked on Google maps, and it's 30 feet across. I see the local policeman drive by all the time, and we have nice conversations. He's never asked me to move even once, even though I'm taking up space with my dogs on their leashes.

Also, there are other people who have come into contact with Darren Wilson who found him to be rude and aggressive.

http://gawker.com/woman-claims-darren-wilson-told-her-to-shut-the-****-u-1622383830

Of course we should ignore this girl because Oprah or something.
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We shouldn't ignore her at all, in fact i would like to know the whole story, she's clearly leaving a lot of it out....Why was she maced? Why was Wilson there in the first place? She also admits she wanted revenge:

And I prayed on it and I asked God to get revenge on him and I'm sorry this is the way it happened, but what's done in the dark always come to the light, and I saw the news this morning—
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Nonetheless this claim should be pretty easy to verify, so no one will have to ignore her at all if it's true.
 
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Unabogie said:
Oh, sure, you might be right. But she also may have come into contact with Darren Wilson and he may have yelled at her like Dorian Johnson says he did to them. Not everyone is as calm and collected when talking to the media as "Josie" is and she could have simply muffed her story once the cameras were on. It deserves further investigation, doesn't it?
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In my opinion, it appears to be nothing more than character assassination. There are absolutely no facts to back it up, there's no one to confirm the story, and it sounds like something my 14 year old would say if I asked him who started a fight at his school. That story is, literally, one sided and so completely unbelievable that I wouldn't imagine how it could be believed.
 
Unabogie said:
Oh, sure, you might be right. But she also may have come into contact with Darren Wilson and he may have yelled at her like Dorian Johnson says he did to them. Not everyone is as calm and collected when talking to the media as "Josie" is and she could have simply muffed her story once the cameras were on. It deserves further investigation, doesn't it?
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No.
 
Unabogie said:
Oh, sure, you might be right. But she also may have come into contact with Darren Wilson and he may have yelled at her like Dorian Johnson says he did to them. Not everyone is as calm and collected when talking to the media as "Josie" is and she could have simply muffed her story once the cameras were on. It deserves further investigation, doesn't it?
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I must admit that there seems to be a bit of fore-story missing. Why was she maced?
 
Elagabalus said:
I must admit that there seems to be a bit of fore-story missing. Why was she maced?
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It actually doesn't even say that Wilson was the person who maced her, just that she was maced. Then Wilson comes in while she's trying to clean her eyes out, with help from the patrons of the store, and he tells her she has to leave. Why? Who knows? That's just the guy that he is, and so she goes out to her car. After she leaves, which he told her to do, then he makes her get out of her car to get her information. After which, through her tear-soaked, freshly-maced eyes, she sees his name tag. At that time she knows who he is! Let's disregard the fact that police officers name tags don't have their full name on them. Just first initial, and last name (in some locations not even first initial), so now she knows that someone with the last name of Wilson was being a dick. Yes, let's follow this up.
 
plague311 said:
So I mean, if by Wilson, you mean, multiple witnesses, then yes. He is the only one.
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Do these people have names? Who are they, and what did they say?

In response to your, "right?" the answer is, no. You are not right. Not even close to being right. With such detail in this thread there's no reason to be so blindly clueless of the facts.
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So, "a woman who only gave her first name on a local radio station". That's a reliable-sounding source. How do we know this woman was even at the scene?
 
Lerxst said:
We shouldn't ignore her at all, in fact i would like to know the whole story, she's clearly leaving a lot of it out....Why was she maced? Why was Wilson there in the first place? She also admits she wanted revenge:

Nonetheless this claim should be pretty easy to verify, so no one will have to ignore her at all if it's true.
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Agreed.

plague311 said:
In my opinion, it appears to be nothing more than character assassination. There are absolutely no facts to back it up, there's no one to confirm the story, and it sounds like something my 14 year old would say if I asked him who started a fight at his school. That story is, literally, one sided and so completely unbelievable that I wouldn't imagine how it could be believed.
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I'm not believing it, but I am noting that she exists and echoes what others saw from Wilson. So anyone who claims that Wilson would never have been aggressive towards someone or yell "get the **** on the sidewalk" should consider this witness.

Elagabalus said:
I must admit that there seems to be a bit of fore-story missing. Why was she maced?
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Agreed and who knows? Weird story, told in a strange way.
 
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