Michael Brown Shooting

[Polaris]

The officer was shooting at Brown's back, but missed and hit him in the front.

They were Vaudeville bullets.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Here's the street where I grew up. Note the lack of sidewalks and the lack of a double yellow line. We walked in the street, played whiffle ball, fuzz ball, kick ball, etc, in the street. If a car came by (likely doing 10 mph, tops), you moved out of the way.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.503809,-90.304606,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sVOJozd8uhR_MYgwk16my2g!2e0!6m1!1e1

Who else clicked on that link solely to see from where such beings come?

 

[LTC8K6]

It's a grand jury investigation -- not a presentation of a kind of wrapped with a bow bill of indictment. The jurors meet each Wednesday, so it's not even banker's hours. There is a large amount of data that to be collected and sorted through even though much of it is not in dispute. McCulloch stated that the grand jury will be presented with all the evidence in this case. That takes time.

I'd also suggest that everyone is running away from this case like it's some overly-affectionate aunt -- with ebola. I'm guessing there in no hurry to have a vote during the current news cycle.

It is only going to take two weeks or so then. It's just spread out over a month and a half, 2 or 3 days per week.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

IIRC, in the Maps sat view, if you right click in the pic, you will get an option to "measure distance".

Thanks for that...

I guess 28+ feet is not much more than 20 ...

But perhaps Ginger can explain it better, and why it matters...

Who else clicked on that link solely to see from where such beings come?

Not me...

 

[TheL8Elvis]

A couple of other accounts:

Piaget Crenshaw

Tiffany Mitchell

Does it make any difference to you that Crenshaw claims to have known Brown, and works with Mitchell ?

So it's not as if they don't know each other, and the victim.

Because in my mind, that lowers their objectivity level ... not sure how much, but definitely lowers it.

 

[quadraginta]

IIRC, in the Maps sat view, if you right click in the pic, you will get an option to "measure distance".

Thanks. I was thinking it ought to be there somewhere. I like the way it lets you stretch to waypoints.

It doesn't convert to smoots for you, though.

I just compared a couple of locations. In those instances, at least, Google Earth seems to get more magnification with good resolution. I think it might be a bit more precise. Probably not enough to matter.

 

[Mumbles]

Apparently, eyewitnesses are not to be trusted, only police.

Well, apparently the police story is just "I shot Michael Brown." at the moment. That's not a reassuring story.

 

[Mike!]

And that's relevant...how?

Do TRY to keep up. please.

We are discussing the width of the street in order to ascertain weather or not the two individuals in question (one now deceased) had any business meandering down the middle of the road when they were confronted by officer Wilson who, may or may not have asked them to remove themselves from said street in a less than polite fashion, at which point in the discussion, for reasons known only to you, you brought up 'witnesses' to the event in question, and when questioned further, you produced to sets of testimony, neither of which had anything relevant to the immediate topic at hand, which is, how wide does a street have to be before one can walk down the middle without any worry of being hassled by 'the man'.

 

[quadraginta]

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... how wide does a street have to be before one can walk down the middle without any worry of being hassled by 'the man'.

If he can drive down it it's probably wide enough.

 

[plague311]

And that's relevant...how?

I think it goes to show who initiated the altercation. I still haven't formed an opinion either way, but there is definitely mounting evidence that this police officer wasn't out to get anyone. It appears Brown committed two violent felonies in under half an hour. That's pretty quick.

 

[Elagabalus]

The officer was shooting at Brown's back, but missed and hit him in the front.

The police already confirmed that Wilson fired at Brown while Brown was fleeing.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art..._Wilson_Fired_at_Michael_Brown_as_He_Ran_Away

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Does it make any difference to you that Crenshaw claims to have known Brown, and works with Mitchell ?

So it's not as if they don't know each other, and the victim.

Because in my mind, that lowers their objectivity level ... not sure how much, but definitely lowers it.

Sure, but all of the stories seem to corroborate pretty well. All of them except for Wilson's, that is. AFAIK, the only witness claiming that Brown tried to charge at him is Wilson himself. In fact, Wilson is the only witness claiming that Brown assaulted him at all, right? In fact, I think that Wilson's circumstances place his account as the least objective. Why should I believe his account, but disbelieve everybody else's? After all, of all of these people, Wilson has the best reason to lie, because he has the most to lose.

And his account is the odd one out...

 

[Unabogie]

That Michael Brown was a long way from being a model citizen,and that the Fergusion Police department is remarkably inept in dealing with the Black Communitry, could both be valid points is something a lot of people just cannot accept because it interferes with the ideologically motiviated narrative..

You keep saying things like this, but who is making the case that Michael Brown was a model citizen? Can you provide some quotes?

 

[Elagabalus]

Sure, but all of the stories seem to corroborate pretty well. All of them except for Wilson's, that is. AFAIK, the only witness claiming that Brown tried to charge at him is Wilson himself. In fact, Wilson is the only witness claiming that Brown assaulted him at all, right? In fact, I think that Wilson's circumstances place his account as the least objective. Why should I believe his account, but disbelieve everybody else's? After all, of all of these people, Wilson has the best reason to lie, because he has the most to lose.

And his account is the odd one out...

It's Josie's 2nd/3rd hand account of what Wilson said to the person who told her.

 

[Lerxst]

Sure, but all of the stories seem to corroborate pretty well. All of them except for Wilson's, that is. AFAIK, the only witness claiming that Brown tried to charge at him is Wilson himself. In fact, Wilson is the only witness claiming that Brown assaulted him at all, right? In fact, I think that Wilson's circumstances place his account as the least objective. Why should I believe his account, but disbelieve everybody else's? After all, of all of these people, Wilson has the best reason to lie, because he has the most to lose.

And his account is the odd one out...

I don't want to speak for this poster but i believe he would expect their accounts to corroborate each other.

From the wiki:

Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met and are "bias-free"; that is, existing without biases caused by, feelings, ideas, etc. of a sentient subject.

 

[Unabogie]

Do TRY to keep up. please.

We are discussing the width of the street in order to ascertain weather or not the two individuals in question (one now deceased) had any business meandering down the middle of the road when they were confronted by officer Wilson who, may or may not have asked them to remove themselves from said street in a less than polite fashion, at which point in the discussion, for reasons known only to you, you brought up 'witnesses' to the event in question, and when questioned further, you produced to sets of testimony, neither of which had anything relevant to the immediate topic at hand, which is, how wide does a street have to be before one can walk down the middle without any worry of being hassled by 'the man'.

On this note, people are always walking down the middle of my street on the way to the park. I just checked on Google maps, and it's 30 feet across. I see the local policeman drive by all the time, and we have nice conversations. He's never asked me to move even once, even though I'm taking up space with my dogs on their leashes.

Also, there are other people who have come into contact with Darren Wilson who found him to be rude and aggressive.

http://gawker.com/woman-claims-darren-wilson-told-her-to-shut-the-****-u-1622383830

Of course we should ignore this girl because Oprah or something.

 

[Kestrel]

Where I live, people routinely jog or run in the streets even where sidewalks are available. For the most part, the cops ignore it. But I don't live in a town that balances the books by writhing tickets for trivial offenses. Knowing that the people who get the tickets can't afford to fight them. Michael Brown lived in that kind of community. A system almost guaranteed to generate mutual disrespect between the police and community.

 

[plague311]

Sure, but all of the stories seem to corroborate pretty well. All of them except for Wilson's, that is. AFAIK, the only witness claiming that Brown tried to charge at him is Wilson himself. In fact, Wilson is the only witness claiming that Brown assaulted him at all, right? In fact, I think that Wilson's circumstances place his account as the least objective. Why should I believe his account, but disbelieve everybody else's? After all, of all of these people, Wilson has the best reason to lie, because he has the most to lose.

And his account is the odd one out...

The hilited portion is wrong, and you should probably read up on this if you're going to take such a snarky tone.

Multiple witnesses in riot-torn Ferguson, Mo., said that the unarmed black teen killed by a white cop attacked the officer in his patrol car before the teen was shot,

So I mean, if by Wilson, you mean, multiple witnesses, then yes. He is the only one.

Oh, and:

A woman who would only give her first name described Wilson's version of events to a local radio station this week, claiming Brown not only attacked Wilson first but rushed him headlong after the initial shot was fired.

In response to your, "right?" the answer is, no. You are not right. Not even close to being right. With such detail in this thread there's no reason to be so blindly clueless of the facts.

 

[George 152]

Unarmed black youth shot and killed for walking down the center of a street.
Pretty much anything else is academic

 

[plague311]

On this note, people are always walking down the middle of my street on the way to the park. I just checked on Google maps, and it's 30 feet across. I see the local policeman drive by all the time, and we have nice conversations. He's never asked me to move even once, even though I'm taking up space with my dogs on their leashes.

Also, there are other people who have come into contact with Darren Wilson who found him to be rude and aggressive.

http://gawker.com/woman-claims-darren-wilson-told-her-to-shut-the-****-u-1622383830

Of course we should ignore this girl because Oprah or something.

Oh come on, seriously. You've chewed multiple people out on in this thread for not being skeptical of events. An unidentified woman tells a story that can't be backed up about a police officer that recently got in trouble and that doesn't throw up ANY warning signs to you? I don't normally have issue, but that is the opposite of skepticism. She's going to be arrested for pouring milk in her eyes? There can't even be a law against that, unless she refuses to pay for the milk. Then she goes on to say that her eyes are burning like mad, she can't get them to stop, but she can clearly make out his name tag to remember it and pray to god for revenge? That is beyond stupid and contradicting. Have you ever been maced? This is just laughable.