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Michael Brown Shooting

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Unabogie said:
Assault on a police officer does not allow him to shoot at a fleeing, unarmed person. They're admitting that now, right? He shot at his back. And no witness saw Brown charge. You just made that up.
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False. Officer Wilson is the most credible witness in this case. Brown charged him, just like he charged the store clerk minutes before. There's no other reason why he would shoot him six times in the front while in a panic (the panic is evidenced by his poor aim). He must have been coming at him, as witnesses described on that video.
 
Cain said:
Not implausible, I agree. People do stupid things every day. Simply racking up a record for a few cheap cigars is incredibly dumb, and suggests poor impulse control. However, if Wilson had fired without intending to shoot Brown -- essentially a warning shot -- Brown could not know that the officer didn't mean to hit. He could guess that the Wilson didn't have the guts, or wouldn't have the guts to hit someone face-to-face.
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The real explosion would come if someone in the store were to give a description that Mr.Brown was saying something to the storekeeper like " what are you gonna do, huh!"
Or words to that effect and tone. *

* absolute! blue-sky conjecture, in response to the first bit of conjecture- conceded in advance as something that might possibly have happened, but as yet has very little to support that it actually did
 
Ammonitida said:
False. Officer Wilson is the most credible witness in this case. Brown charged him, just like he charged the store clerk minutes before. There's no other reason why he would shoot him six times in the front while in a panic (the panic is evidenced by his poor aim). He must have been coming at him, as witnesses described on that video.
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How do we know it was poor aim?
The officer might have deliberately aimed for his arm hoping that that would cause Mr. Brown to stop, then aimed for more lethal areas when the arm shots didn't stop him.

Nothing is granted.
 
The Powell shooting was caught on video:

 
Distracted1 said:
How do we know it was poor aim?
The officer might have deliberately aimed for his arm hoping that that would cause Mr. Brown to stop, then aimed for more lethal areas when the arm shots didn't stop him.

Nothing is granted.
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Cops are trained to shoot at center mass, not wound appendages. You're much more likely to miss if you go for an arm or a leg or a head.
 
Distracted1 said:
How do we know it was poor aim?
The officer might have deliberately aimed for his arm hoping that that would cause Mr. Brown to stop, then aimed for more lethal areas when the arm shots didn't stop him.

Nothing is granted.
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Standard training, I think, is to aim for center mass.

Was the officer right or left handed? It could make a difference if his eye really was wounded, if that is the eye he relies on to aim with.
 
Unabogie said:
Assault on a police officer does not allow him to shoot at a fleeing, unarmed person. They're admitting that now, right? He shot at his back. And no witness saw Brown charge. You just made that up.
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If he did fire while Mr. Brown was fleeing, I don't see where that necessarily violates any law.
The ( admittedly small ) amount of googling I did states that there is no national statute regarding when an officer may shoot a fleeing felon. There are court decisions that set a standard that the officer may shoot if a fleeing, violent felon if he believes the felon to be a threat to himself or others. Puts us into the ugly realm of determining what the officer believed in the few seconds after being attacked violently ( if that happened )

I would think a reasonable person might have to concede the violent felon part if it turns out that officer Wilson's face is indeed ********** up. Trickier to try to guess how much rationality would go into what he believed about the future threat at that point.

There is also, of course, the possibility of a warning shot or shots.
 
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Ammonitida said:
False. Officer Wilson is the most credible witness in this case.
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a) What? How the hell do you know that?
b) Officer Wilson has yet to explain himself, so since you haven't heard his version of what happened, your deeming it credible --nay, the MOST CREDIBLE -- is, well, decidedly unskeptical.
 
crescent said:
Standard training, I think, is to aim for center mass.

Was the officer right or left handed? It could make a difference if his eye really was wounded, if that is the eye he relies on to aim with.
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Don't ignore the possibility that, in spite of being allowed to shoot Mr. Brown at that point, he might not actually have wanted to kill him.


EDIT, maybe I should remove that. How utterly ridiculous to me to suggest that a cop might not actually be frothing at the mouth to take a life. I am going to take a lot of heat for even giving it consideration.
 
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Distracted1 said:
I would think a reasonable person might have to concede the violent felon part if it turns out that officer Wilson's face is indeed ********** up. Trickier to try to guess how much rationality would go into what he believed about the future threat at that point.
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So you think the racist police officer smashing his face into poor Michael Brown's fist is enough to label him a violent felon?
 
Unabogie said:
a) What? How the hell do you know that?
b) Officer Wilson has yet to explain himself, so since you haven't heard his version of what happened, your deeming it credible --nay, the MOST CREDIBLE -- is, well, decidedly unskeptical.
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He has yet to explain himself to YOU. You betchya he explained himself to the prosecutor and the cops from SLCPD, the ones investigating the shooting. And they did not arrest him. And in fact allowed him to vacation out of state.
 
For those hypothesising warning shots, can you cite a police department anywhere which sanctions this? I doubt you can. Firing warning shots is beyond stupid.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Holy crap. That cop should have been arrested, and no doubt there will be a civil lawsuit in the works over this incident.

That said, unless this cop was Wilson himself, the video says nothing about Wilson's guilt/innocence in the killing of Brown.
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That cop should pursue a new line of work.

I think it's worth noting he works for a different dept. than the one that employs Wilson.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ointing-rifle-at-protesters-threatening-them/


A county police sergeant forced the officer, who works for the Saint Ann police, to lower his weapon and leave the area
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