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Michael Brown Shooting

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LTC8K6 said:
Well, if Wilson was indeed firing at Brown as he fled and Wilson pursued, and Brown was hit six or eight times, with all but one round from the front, then it means that Wilson fired a lot more than six or eight rounds.

Wilson must have fired more like 12 rounds. Several as Brown fled that mostly missed, maybe one that grazed brown, and then the ones that entered from the front. Plus the one near the vehicle.

So we should have a lot more than 6 empties on the ground.
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The best I can make out of the conflicting information:

One went off while Wilson was in the vehicle/doorway and missed/winged Mike Brown and that casing landed in the vehicle.

One shot may have been fired as Brown ran away and may have been why he turned around suddenly and that may have caused one of the minor wounds.

At least five shots were fired at Michael Brown from the front, two hitting the head, three the arms. Three of these bullets were found in the body.

It is indeed possible that other shots were fired, but the above does fit with the witnesses that claimed to hear 6-8 shots fired.
 
LTC8K6 said:
There was some sort of a fight at the vehicle window. That seems solid.

Wilson had some sort of face injury. That seems solid.

Johnson says the door barely opened, and bounced off Brown. That seems logical given the way the encounter happened.

It's almost the first thing you think of when you hear that two people were fighting. Somebody probably got punched in the face.

Brown was in a good position to pop Wilson a good one. Brown was a big guy.

It's not much of a stretch, imo, to think that Brown popped Wilson in the eye at the car window and that punch damaged Wilson's eye socket.

That would prompt Wilson to pull his pistol on Brown due to felony assault of an officer.

Okay, that's a wrap! :D
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The first three are pretty solid. Brown could have still slammed the door into Wilson, knocking him off balance which in turn made him grab on to Brown through the window* and resulting in the only facial injury to Wilson.


*a policeman grabbing onto someone through the window of the squad car always seemed to be a bit unlikely.
 
Wolrab said:
He probably would have been arrested in the riots...

He was 18 and had time to be whatever he would become. HVAC can be a great career. He could have fallen in love, got married, and became a father. Too bad we will never know.
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Or he could have become President. After all, George W. Bush had a reputation as quite the hellraiser in his youth before he settled down.
 
Kaosium said:
The best I can make out of the conflicting information:

One went off while Wilson was in the vehicle/doorway and missed/winged Mike Brown and that casing landed in the vehicle.

One shot may have been fired as Brown ran away and may have been why he turned around suddenly and that may have caused one of the minor wounds.

At least five shots were fired at Michael Brown from the front, two hitting the head, three the arms. Three of these bullets were found in the body.

It is indeed possible that other shots were fired, but the above does fit with the witnesses that claimed to hear 6-8 shots fired.
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That's what I'm thinking.

1 round during the struggle.

1 round as Brown ran away.

6 rounds into Brown from the front.

The 1 round as Brown ran away is not damning to Wilson unless it hit Brown from behind.

So far the autopsies have apparently not been able to conclude that a round hit Brown from behind.
 
Elagabalus said:
The first three are pretty solid. Brown could have still slammed the door into Wilson, knocking him off balance which in turn made him grab on to Brown through the window* and resulting in the only facial injury to Wilson.


*a policeman grabbing onto someone through the window of the squad car always seemed to be a bit unlikely.
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Johnson says the door barely opened. About an inch or words to that effect. No way it could hit Wilson in the face in that case.
 
And now it's ABC News:

The Ferguson police officer who shot and killed an unarmed teenager suffered “a serious facial injury” in the altercation before firing the fatal shots, according to a source close to the officer who spoke to ABC News today.
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Obviously they're just piggybacking off Gateway Pundit.
 
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Elagabalus said:
If you take away the part about charging at Wilson then you have almost exactly what the witnesses said happened.
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I think one should consider that Officer Wilson is a witness, and his statement is evidence, too. I'll concede his version of what happened is coming to us 2nd or 3rd hand, but it certainly appears his story is he was bull-rushed, and one third-hand version of his story has Michael ending up falling to the ground only 2 or 3 feet in front of him.

BTW, I suspect that some of the witnesses heard the shot from inside the car, saw Michael moving away from the police car, and concluded the officer was shooting at him. There are certainly another gazillion possibilities, and we will probably never know exactly what happened unless something definitive comes from the blood evidence and the location of the shell casings.
 
Brainster said:
And now it's ABC News:



Obviously they're just piggybacking off Gateway Pundit.
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This rumor is very close to being confirmed now. Next is the rumor that Dorian came clean and admitted that Brown was the aggressor. Both rumors came from the same source which also claims to have broke the news on the autopsy results.
 
Brainster said:
And now it's ABC News:



Obviously they're just piggybacking off Gateway Pundit.
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Does it matter if he did? Would that explain why he ran after Brown, firing his weapon? Was his life in danger from it at the time he shot or not? If this punch to his eye was so damaging, why did he jump out to give chase? Why was he not holding his face after the shooting? None of this makes sense or justifies firing more than six shots at a fleeing suspect, unless Wilson was just pissed off and lost his ****. Which is exactly what this looks like happened.
 
GWCarver said:
I think one should consider that Officer Wilson is a witness, and his statement is evidence, too. I'll concede his version of what happened is coming to us 2nd or 3rd hand, but it certainly appears his story is he was bull-rushed, and one third-hand version of his story has Michael ending up falling to the ground only 2 or 3 feet in front of him.

BTW, I suspect that some of the witnesses heard the shot from inside the car, saw Michael moving away from the police car, and concluded the officer was shooting at him. There are certainly another gazillion possibilities, and we will probably never know exactly what happened unless something definitive comes from the blood evidence and the location of the shell casings.
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He's a racist white cop, so he doesn't count as a "witness" to the extreme left, even if he does have medical evidence that supports a very important part of his account (he probably just hired a goon to beat him after the shooting, or the car door did it).
 
Unabogie said:
Does it matter if he did? Would that explain why he ran after Brown, firing his weapon? Was his life in danger from it at the time he shot or not? If this punch to his eye was so damaging, why did he jump out to give chase? Why was he not holding his face after the shooting? None of this makes sense or justifies firing more than six shots at a fleeing suspect, unless Wilson was just pissed off and lost his ****. Which is exactly what this looks like happened.
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Why do I get the impression that this was your opinion from the very beginning and no amount of evidence would change your mind?
 
Unabogie said:
Does it matter if he did? Would that explain why he ran after Brown, firing his weapon? Was his life in danger from it at the time he shot or not? If this punch to his eye was so damaging, why did he jump out to give chase? Why was he not holding his face after the shooting? None of this makes sense or justifies firing more than six shots at a fleeing suspect, unless Wilson was just pissed off and lost his ****. Which is exactly what this looks like happened.
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You talking crazy, bro. How many unfounded assertions do you have to build upon before your argument crumbles into dust? Punch ... Jump ... Chase ... Holding Face ... Six Shots ... Fleeing Suspect ... Pissed Off. Lost his **** ...

Try non-fiction.
 
Unabogie said:
Does it matter if he did? Would that explain why he ran after Brown, firing his weapon? Was his life in danger from it at the time he shot or not? If this punch to his eye was so damaging, why did he jump out to give chase? Why was he not holding his face after the shooting? None of this makes sense or justifies firing more than six shots at a fleeing suspect, unless Wilson was just pissed off and lost his ****. Which is exactly what this looks like happened.
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The only six shots that we know for a fact happened hit Brown in the front, so unless Brown was running backwards, it is a tad difficult to claim he was fleeing when those shots were fired. The rest of your post amounts to an argument from incredulity.
 
squealpiggy said:
Why do I get the impression that this was your opinion from the very beginning and no amount of evidence would change your mind?
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He got out of his vehicle to shoot a guy whose only crime the officer knew of before getting out of his car was jaywalking.
 
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