Michael Brown Shooting

[Ladewig]

I think it's time to call the orbital fracture claim a fraud.

Or we could wait patiently for the official medical report.
We are not on a time deadline where we must immediately choose only one description of the event while dismissing, sneering at or otherwise mocking all other descriptions.

 

[newyorkguy]

By the way, for someone with an orbital blowout fracture, Wilson looks uninjured in the video of his pacing around at the scene. CNN showed a close up of Wilson pacing around at the crime scene. <snip> Between the single less than credible source, the fact no mainstream news outlets have picked up the story, and the fact Wilson is at the crime scene in videos without any obvious serious facial injury I think it's time to call the orbital fracture claim a fraud.

I agree that does look like Wilson. I too am suspicious (I won't use the word "skeptical" because IMO, in this thread at least, that word has been thoroughly tainted) that after a) putting out the store video, b) releasing the finding of THC in Michael Brown's blood it DOES seem suspicious that the authorities would NOT mention that Officer Darren Wilson suffered a broken orbital bone in the confrontation with Brown. And yes, being that no mainstream media source is reporting this -- not even FOX?-- it does seem less than reliable.

Finally, I only mention this because of a recent thread in FMF where some of us agreed, when we see someone getting dumped on like this we should say something. For moral support if nothing else.

You're worse than the Truthers who find a single bright pixel in a video and conclude that a missile hit the towers. Steve S

At least Truthers are entertaining. This is like watching a drunk at a party that doesn't realize he's pissed himself.

To compare the photo of Wilson to "a single bright pixel" is insulting. The second message is [redacted]. I don't think Skeptic Ginger (or anyone) deserves to be personally attacked this way.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Looky looky, I'm not the only one who noticed all the reasons the eye socket fracture is fake:

Was the cop injured during his altercation with Michael Brown?

Hotair mentions all the same things I mentioned.

And yet — Josie doesn’t claim that Brown busted Wilson’s eye, a detail you’d think she would want to mention to emphasize the severity of the attack. Also, if you look back at the cellphone video captured by Piaget Crenshaw, you’ll see Wilson standing by Brown’s body with no apparent injury and seemingly in no distress from what allegedly would have been a nasty eye injury.

Most obvious of all, if Hoft’s sources are right, why haven’t we heard this already from Ferguson PD?

The only thing they left out was the lack of cred of GatewayPundit and the fact no mainstream news outlet is touching the story.

Instead they note the police would have likely released this information yet, except for the claimed leak, haven't.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Pointing out that non-factual hyperbole is non-factual hyperbole merits criticism? I'd reflect on that if I were you.

 

[trustbutverify]

Sorry, I won't follow any link to Gatewaypundit aka Jim Hoft aka the dumbest man on the internet. It doesn't matter whether or not he's right - he's entirely untrustworthy, in my opinion. Anything useful will be posted by other, more reputable sources.

Any similarity between Gateway and the truth is purely coincidental.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You're worse than the Truthers who find a single bright pixel in a video and conclude that a missile hit the towers.

Steve S

Way to cherry pick and take something out of context at the same time.

That image is the same as the one of Wilson on Crenshaw's video that was verified by CNN and zoomed in on CNN.

Wilson is pacing around the incident scene with no evidence his eye hurts. We are talking about an injury serious enough to break a bone.

So just what is it you think I'm trying to show with that image?

 

[bynmdsue]

"Josie" does mention him being punched in the face though.

"Just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face, and then of course Darren grabs for his gun"

Maybe she spoke to his wife before it was known for sure.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

Johnson has blood soaking through Brown's shirt at the car door from the first gunshot. Right side of Brown's shirt.

Is Johnson specific about the right side because by then he has seen photos of the body, or heard about the autopsy?

Or did he really see blood pooling right away?

We don't know what blood was on the shirt yet. I think I'd wait for that before jumping to conclusions here.

 

[shuize]

For all you know, Brown could have been reaching across the counter to hand the shopkeeper a Chick Tract.

No, Michael Brown was not preachy about his religion. If he put his arms across the counter, it was just to accept charity for the orphan children. He only jerked back with the items in his hands when the racist shopkeeper spit in his face.

 

[stanfr]

Is it not possible he had much more pressing things on his mind?

I don't think the video stills prove anything, and ill wait for the evidence...but having watched the video a few times It does make me curious. Not once does he even make the slightest movement with his hands towards his face--I can't speak for everyone in every circumstance, but when I've been abruptly injured--as in a car wreck--my first instinct has been to check for injuries. He doesn't have a mirror with him. I'd be rubbing my hand over my face to check the extent of injuries, see if blood is pouring out, etc. No sign of that in the video. Inconclusive...but curious IMO.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Still full of adrenaline, has a job to do, afraid, worried what other officers think, what onlookers think, trying to "man up" and ignore/downplay injury due to expectations of males and cops... and people have died before due to these sorts of "I'm fine, seriously I said I'm fine" type of reactions.

Or the story's fake.




We'll find out sooner or later. I've pointed to a number of reasons that story is fake. Lack of apparent serious eye injury is one of several reasons.

Not to mention it's the 4th fake story about this case from the chief's wife's fake web page to the KKK raising money for Wilson to the fake pictures of Brown with money and drugs that a friggin cop put up on his FB page.

But feel free to defend this story all you want.

 

[Brainster]

Looky looky, I'm not the only one who noticed all the reasons the eye socket fracture is fake:

Was the cop injured during his altercation with Michael Brown?

Hotair mentions all the same things I mentioned.

Allahpundit just expressed reasonable skepticism. He did not say that the eye socket fracture is fake, or a fraud, as you have. You really can't see the difference?

 

[LTC8K6]

Here on the 15th we are told at the presser, that the 2nd autopsy is done. About 13 minute mark.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/live-...-the-media-from-ferguson-police-headquarters/

The NYT says that Baden was flown in on the 17th to do the autopsy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

Speculation on the right wing is that Parcells did the autopsy, and Baden just consulted.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Or we could wait patiently for the official medical report.
We are not on a time deadline where we must immediately choose only one description of the event while dismissing, sneering at or otherwise mocking all other descriptions.

I posted the reasons why it's probably fake. And I waited until I had something to go on.

You got any reasons why we should believe that story?

You don't think Fox News would report it by now? Have they? Why do you suppose not?

Is there any source at all besides the original claim on GatewayPundit?


That's like believing an uncorroborated Breitbart or a Limbaugh story.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Allahpundit just expressed reasonable skepticism. He did not say that the eye socket fracture is fake, or a fraud, as you have. You really can't see the difference?

Oh, I see, you all say it's real, I post evidence it's not and say, "I think it's time to call this story a fake" and that makes you all good skeptics for "waiting".



Let's look at that. Upon what evidence are you considering the story true? [crickets]

I've listed the evidence why I don't think is it.

You really can't see the difference?

 

[LTC8K6]

We don't know what blood was on the shirt yet. I think I'd wait for that before jumping to conclusions here.

We can see a lot of blood on the right side of the shirt, imo.

My point is about the blood we would see elsewhere if Brown took a bullet "under his right wing" at the car door.

We should/could have markers of Brown's movements/positions in blood drops.

That would tell us a lot about events.

 

[Howie Felterbush]

We can see a lot of blood on the right side of the shirt, imo.

My point is about the blood we would see elsewhere if Brown took a bullet "under his right wing" at the car door.

We should/could have markers of Brown's movements/positions in blood drops.

That would tell us a lot about events.

Further proof that Brown was an angel.

 

[Distracted1]

I agree that does look like Wilson. I too am suspicious (I won't use the word "skeptical" because IMO, in this thread at least, that word has been thoroughly tainted) that after a) putting out the store video, b) releasing the finding of THC in Michael Brown's blood it DOES seem suspicious that the authorities would NOT mention that Officer Darren Wilson suffered a broken orbital bone in the confrontation with Brown. And yes, being that no mainstream media source is reporting this -- not even FOX?-- it does seem less than reliable.

Finally, I only mention this because of a recent thread in FMF where some of us agreed, when we see someone getting dumped on like this we should say something. For moral support if nothing else.




To compare the photo of Wilson to "a single bright pixel" is insulting. The second message is [redacted]. I don't think Skeptic Ginger (or anyone) deserves to be personally attacked this way.

So many have expressed disdain that the store video was released. Others that the video has no relevance.

Had the Ferguson PD had a surveillance tape of officer Wilson engaging in exactly that level of violence shortly before the shooting, should they have withheld it? Would it have been irrelevant?
If there was a recording of Mr. Brown helping a little old lady across the street and saving puppies from a fire prior to the shooting, would that too be irrelevant? And not worth of release.

 

[steve s]

So just what is it you think I'm trying to show with that image?

That a ridiculously blurry and pixelated image is somehow evidence of anything. I'm not saying one way or another whether he was punched. I'm just saying that this photo is evidence of nothing.

As for not rushing Wilson off to the hospital, that's more nonsense. I've broken several bones over the years as well as a torn knee ligament, and in every single case I waited a day or two to go to the doctor. Don't you think there were more pressing matters to tend to? As someone else mentioned, EMTs were on the way so why send Wilson away?

Steve S

 

[shuize]

If there was a recording of Mr. Brown helping a little old lady across the street and saving puppies from a fire prior to the shooting, would that too be irrelevant? And not worth of release.

No, Michael Brown was too modest to expect any credit for his many acts of kindness.