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Michael Brown Shooting

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Skeptic Ginger said:
By the way, for someone with an orbital blowout fracture, Wilson looks uninjured in the video of his pacing around at the scene.

CNN showed a close up of Wilson pacing around at the crime scene.

It's Piaget Crenshaw's: Interview and video clip

I think this is a still of Wilson at the scene.

CNN zoomed in, identified Wilson, and he was seen pacing near the body in the clip.

Between the single less than credible source, the fact no mainstream news outlets have picked up the story, and the fact Wilson is at the crime scene in videos without any obvious serious facial injury I think it's time to call the orbital fracture claim a fraud.
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Also, he doesn't have a nose...

I agree that the claim of fracture can't be evaluated as true with that single assertion. It's undetermined. Neither can that frame dispute them.

The claim fits with early police comments that he received facial injury and was treated at hospital. Also, the site in question is local -- these people often have well-vetted sources in place and lack pressure the national news cycle exerts.

At the end of the day, it will be Wilson's medical records that will confirm or dispute this claim. Since these fractures are diagnosed via imaging and the risks are such that if Wilson presented with symptoms the test was almost certainly performed, then the answer should be straightforward.

Wilson's claim doesn't rely on an orbital fracture. As reported, it relies of the initial altercation, the struggle for the firearm and any fist-strikes by Brown before turning to charge Wilson.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Still full of adrenaline, has a job to do, afraid, worried what other officers think, what onlookers think, trying to "man up" and ignore/downplay injury due to expectations of males and cops... and people have died before due to these sorts of "I'm fine, seriously I said I'm fine" type of reactions.
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True, but when mixed with no one else picking up the story & the site in question promoting birthers, it can be dismissed for now.
 
shuize said:
Michael Brown wasn't even mad at the shopkeeper for not donating to the ophan childrens' wheelchair fund. Just disappointed.
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I don't believe it has come out yet that the storekeep has a black belt in some form of lethal martial arts (Kajukenbo?) and could have laid Mr. Brown out with a single blow.
 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/236754541/Dorian-Johnson-Q-A

FF: Where was the first shot? Where did that hit Mike?

DJ: From where I was standing, I didn't lean up to examine him physically. But, I knew he was shot because I seen the blood splatter. And I seen it splatter on his right up under his right wing. So I just knew he was hit.
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Johnson's account in one interview, of the shot at the car door.
 
So what is a 'blow out fracture'? Compressive,hydraulic forces to the eye blow out via the bone? Behind the eye or the cheekbone area?

I know a punch in the face can force bones into the brain and kill you.

eta, If I was making up a story, who would even know to include 'blow out fracture" ? Broken cheek bone maybe.
 
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Pretty good for Mommy's Little Angel who's head was bowed in prayer for all the poor starving babies in Somalia.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
By the way, for someone with an orbital blowout fracture, Wilson looks uninjured in the video of his pacing around at the scene.

CNN showed a close up of Wilson pacing around at the crime scene.

It's Piaget Crenshaw's: Interview and video clip

I think this is a still of Wilson at the scene.

CNN zoomed in, identified Wilson, and he was seen pacing near the body in the clip.

Between the single less than credible source, the fact no mainstream news outlets have picked up the story, and the fact Wilson is at the crime scene in videos without any obvious serious facial injury I think it's time to call the orbital fracture claim a fraud.
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Uninjured?

That still you posted as evidence, looks like he was present at the uncovering of the Ark of The Covenant in Raiders Of The Lost Ark...

Do you really expect to maintain any credibility you may have in this discussion, by suggesting that video is evidence Wilson was not injured?
 
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Skeptical Greg said:
Uninjured?

That still you posted as evidence, looks like he was present at the uncovering of the Ark of The Covenant in Raiders Of The lost ark...

Do you really expect to maintain any credibility you may have in this discussion, by suggesting that video is evidence Wilson was not injured?
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Why not? In the earlier gatewaypundit link the purported CT Scan of Wilson is a stock image.
 
marplots said:
I don't believe it has come out yet that the storekeep has a black belt in some form of lethal martial arts (Kajukenbo?) and could have laid Mr. Brown out with a single blow.
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Exactly. It wasn't until the racist shopkeeper tried to enlist the orphan children in his criminal triad that Michael Brown got upset and left the store. He only returned to ask the shopkeeper to give his life to Jesus.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I wasn't talking about no visible injuries, the video is too grainy. I'm talking about the inconsistency in having such a serious injury and not leaving to have the injury seen. He's not so much as holding a cold pack to his face.
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I once finished a days work ( construction trade at the time ) with a torn ligament in my right ankle. It required a cast and six weeks of staying off of it
( truth be told, I ignored doctors advice and started limping on it in less than two- I regret that twenty years later )

I don't offer that anecdote as evidence that the officer had that injury necessarily, only as evidence that just having an injury won't necessarily stop someone from finishing what they need to do. Especially in a situation as serious as that one.

Perhaps you think people are more fragile than they actually are? I don't mean that as an insult, it just seems that you are incredulous about how much damage one can take and still be a threat, and how much damage a stubborn man might be willing to take in order to get something done. Have you ever been beaten up?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Between the single less than credible source, the fact no mainstream news outlets have picked up the story, and the fact Wilson is at the crime scene in videos without any obvious serious facial injury I think it's time to call the orbital fracture claim a fraud.
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All lies and jest!
Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....

The idea that this is skepticism is risible. You are providing instead a perfect example of confirmation bias. It is reasonable to be skeptical of the orbital fracture claim. It is not reasonable to call it a fraud based on one grainy photo which might (or might not) be Wilson, and a videotape shot from 100 or more feet away.
 
crescent said:
I think he did - but not with full intent. He was probably on muscle memory and training at that point, pulling the trigger rapidly until a moment after the threat was clearly reduced.

I mean, at a rapid rate of fire, he could have hit Brown twice in the time it took from when Brown started falling to when he actually hit the ground. Two twitches of the finger takes only a moment.
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Ginger doesn't want to hear anything that is inconsistent with Wilson purposely firing an execution shot into the top of Brown's head..

I have proposed possible alternatives in at least six different posts with nothing but hand waving in response..
 
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jhunter1163 said:
FMLA = Family Medical Leave Act; generally refers to maternity leave but applies to any leave taken related to illness/incapacity of oneself or a family member.
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I'm on permanent disability and my husband gets FMLA to take of me when needed. Not so sure about the maternity part, I know lots of people whose spouse or family member has FMLA.
 
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