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Michael Brown Shooting

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Bikewer said:
This is why I generally hesitate to post in these threads other than in terms of broad general policies and legal realities.
All speculation.
None of the facts involving the shooting itself are in evidence. We have only statements by the purported witnesses. Witnesses can be mistaken or can simply lie. We can only go with the evidence uncovered by the investigation.

Disparate statements have been issued by the Ferguson chief. On one hand, he has said that the officer who shot Brown was not responding to the robbery and was not aware of the case; that he had been on another call.
That he confronted Brown and his partner only because they were "in the middle of the street blocking traffic."
Subsequently, he indicated that the officer may have seen Brown holding the box of cigars and had become aware of the robbery report.

Which is which? It will come out in the wash.

If....Brown was confronted by the officer having just committed a Robbery In The 2nd Degree (that's what a "strongarm" robbery is... A Class B felony) one might see how a simple "Don't block the road" request by the officer might have turned into a panicked reaction.
But that too would be sheer speculation at this point.

The family attorney has conceded that Brown had committed the robbery and that the evidence was recovered from his body.

None of those facts, by themselves, justify the shooting. That will be judged on the actions of both the police officer and Brown.
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What we know of the facts it's also being carefully managed by the police department to turn popular opinion against the victim. We knew about the robbery very quickly, but know very little about the actual shooting.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Do we know for a fact that Brown's hands were up in the air or is that just a figment a witness's imagination? I would expect to see pictures of the Brown with his hands in the air. Have you seen any such pictures?



Unlike the victim's family and witnesses, the police tend to hold their cards close to their vest in cases like this, instead of booking an appearance on Oprah within hours of the event. We may not see these photos (if they exist) until trial (if there is one).
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They were very quick to release video of the robbery.
 
a_unique_person said:
What we know of the facts it's also being carefully managed by the police department to turn popular opinion against the victim. We knew about the robbery very quickly, but know very little about the actual shooting.
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Actually the information about the robbery only came out yesterday.
 
a_unique_person said:
What we know of the facts it's also being carefully managed by the police department to turn popular opinion against the victim. We knew about the robbery very quickly, but know very little about the actual shooting.
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You can just go with the eyewitnesses and know that he was shot in the back and also was trying to peacefully surrender


a_unique_person said:
They were very quick to release video of the robbery.
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It seemed to take forever to be released relative to when it happened.

Also the notice of Johnson's outstanding warrant was very slow to be reported.
 
Bikewer said:
I but present the "letter of the law". We don't make these decisions, prosecutors do. In the case I mentioned, I believe the perpetrator was 20, had priors, and was sentenced to 6 years.

Mitigating factors are always presented at trial... Sentencing is up to the judge... In some cases. In many drug-related crimes, not so. "Federally-mandated minimum sentences" may apply.
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I hope the criminal justice system wouldn't send a teenager off to prison for stealing a handful of cigars. That sounds insane.

But yes, stay safe tonight. Good luck.
 
I think that is there was anything that would defuse the situation they would make it public.

But the only actual facts they've given us is that the cop had a bruised head, and that Brown was a robber.

So I suspect the rest of their evidence could be inflammatory- first two rounds were appropriate, rest were not?

Or, lets say that all the evidence, plus other witnesses* that the Sheeple Today news doesn't even know about, all back up the cop? Would they not tell us, because they think it would feed the flames?

* those two in the background of the newscaster would have been tracked down. Remember, they were saying Brown charged the cop. You know Sheeple Today is on the same side as Reverend Al, they both want controversy for profit, not smooth waters.
 
casebro said:
I think that is there was anything that would defuse the situation they would make it public.

But the only actual facts they've given us is that the cop had a bruised head, and that Brown was a robber.

So I suspect the rest of their evidence could be inflammatory- first two rounds were appropriate, rest were not?

Or, lets say that all the evidence, plus other witnesses* that the Sheeple Today news doesn't even know about, all back up the cop? Would they not tell us, because they think it would feed the flames?

* those two in the background of the newscaster would have been tracked down. Remember, they were saying Brown charged the cop. You know Sheeple Today is on the same side as Reverend Al, they both want controversy for profit, not smooth waters.
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CT subforum is thattaway --->
 
I read half this post to date and I'm sorry if it has been brought up before, but has this scenario been raised?
The cop wasn't responding to the robbery.
He asked/told Brown and co. to move out of the road.
He got pissed with the non-compliance.
When he backed up, Brown and co. thought they'd been identified for the robbery therefore igniting a response to the cop that he wouldn't be prepared for?
 
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pchams said:
I read half this post to date and I'm sorry if it has been brought up before, but has this scenario been raised?
The cop wasn't responding to the robbery.
He asked/told Brown and co. to move out of the road.
The got pissed with the non-compliance.
When he backed up, Brown and co. thought they'd been identified for the robbery.
Brown assaulted the (surprised) officer who was unaware of the robbery thinking he could escape the crime.
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Yes, I have suggested something similar a few times, that Wilson figured out they were the robbers after he encountered them.

Plus, they must have been nervous having just robbed a place and with Johnson having a warrant.
 
a_unique_person said:
What we know of the facts it's also being carefully managed by the police department to turn popular opinion against the victim. We knew about the robbery very quickly, but know very little about the actual shooting.
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I suppose for some values of we. I certainly don't know that to be fact.

The robbery is a closed investigation. That's makes much of the police file available to Missouri's Sunshine Law. The video was released in response to such a request made by Missouri's ACLU. There is an open investigation into the use-of-force incident. Most of those records are rightly sealed to preserve the integrity of that investigation. At some point in the future, they will become subject to public disclosure as well.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Yes, I have suggested something similar a few times, that Wilson figured out they were the robbers after he encountered them.

Plus, they must have been nervous having just robbed a place and with Johnson having a warrant.
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No, I'm suggesting Wilson didn't factor the robbery in at all. Just that Brown became nervous having committed a crime a short time ago and assuming he'd been ID'd.
 
Cain said:
Same ol, same ol.

If I close my eyes, it feels like nothing has changed at all. It feels like I've been here before. It's like the walls keep crumbling down in the city that we love. How am I gonna be an optimist about this?
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Τι είναι η δικαιοσύνη ?
 
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