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Michael Brown Shooting

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Distracted1 said:
You don't read the statements " cops can just kill people " And. "Sometimes it is okay for LEO's to kill people " as having different meanings?
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Yes, I do. But if you read my original post, you'll note that you've truncated my actual statement. I distinctly remember there being an "and" in there followed by more words, thus making the overall meaning different than what you are now presenting.

I alleged you automatically believe what a cop who has killed someone says about why they killed that person.

You took umbrage, and then almost immediately affirmed my claim by saying you automatically believe what a cop who has killed someone says about why they killed that person.

So I'm honestly not sure what we're arguing about.

Please read the entire post, you will find that I make clear reference to investigations of deaths. If the investigation does not uncover credible evidence to contradict the LEO' s story, I believe him.

If you think that is identical in meaning to " as long as they say they had to " then you are missing the meaning.
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You quite unambiguously said that "I believe them unless evidence to the contrary comes out", which is not only a decidedly un-skeptical mindset, but rendered all the more laughable in this instance considering there is evidence to the contrary.
 
Unabogie said:
Now it's morphed into him charging the cop? Funny, all of a sudden these witnesses are rock solid.

:rolleyes:
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Well, the video is clearly just after the shooting. The audio is of people talking about what they just saw.

Someone walks past the crime scene tape and right up to the body, and a cop rushes over to remove him.

The narrator seems to say it was Brown's father.
 
Unabogie said:
Now it's morphed into him charging the cop? Funny, all of a sudden these witnesses are rock solid.

:rolleyes:
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What's really funny is that we have no idea that they are actually witnesses.

Two guys overheard talking about the incident are automatically witnesses, and witness testimony suddenly becomes reliable.
 
LTC8K6 said:
A friend of the officer tells this story, which roughly matches what is said in that youtube video.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-speaks-out-on-shooting-of-mike-brown-audio/
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“He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

You can watch the video at Dana Radio.​

There must be more to this story, or this friend got it wrong. That account isn't even close to being consistent with the evidence of all those shots being fired and Michael being found dead 35' away from the truck.
 
Kaosium said:
“He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

You can watch the video at Dana Radio.​

There must be more to this story, or this friend got it wrong. That account isn't even close to being consistent with the evidence of all those shots being fired and Michael being found dead 35' away from the truck.
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The officer most likely chased Brown away from the truck for some distance while yelling "freeze". If Brown ran, odds are the officer chased him.
 
LTC8K6 said:
No, "doubling back towards him", and "keeps coming", are what I refer to as a charge,
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I don't know what went down with the police officer, but Brown certainly didn't have a problem turning around to intimidate the shopkeeper again after knocking him away from the door. After watching Brown's thug behavior in the robbery video, it doesn't seem such a stretch to imagine him trying to buck up against some white police officer who just told him to get out of the road or asked to see if what he was holding matched the description of the items stolen the strong arm robbery. Then a fight. Then the shooting.
 
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Kaosium said:
“He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

You can watch the video at Dana Radio.​

There must be more to this story, or this friend got it wrong. That account isn't even close to being consistent with the evidence of all those shots being fired and Michael being found dead 35' away from the truck.
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Well, it's just a story.

I think the whole thing hinges on the autopsy.

I think that is the only thing that can get the officer convicted of a crime at this point.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The officer most likely chased Brown away from the truck for some distance while yelling "freeze". If Brown ran, odds are the officer chased him.
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That's even worse, this can't be the story, something is missing. It takes a fat offensive lineman maybe two seconds to run ten yards at the combine. If Officer Wilson had narrowed that distance....

....when do the shots get fired?
 
Kaosium said:
That's even worse, this can't be the story, something is missing. It takes a fat offensive lineman maybe two seconds to run ten yards at the combine. If Officer Wilson had narrowed that distance....

....when do the shots get fired?
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Yes, that's why you shoot quickly.

Whenever Brown turned around and charged? I don't know how we could determine that.

The officer likely missed a few times, so the shots fired will not equal hits.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Sure doesn't. Not even remotely the case.

What you've just said isn't even within hailing distance of the truth.

The leftist media certainly works hard to try to convert a few cases into what you envision, through lies, manipulation, and ignoring of important facts... but even if someone were to grant that every case they've claimed is an example of this actually is... that'd still only give us maybe about 3 per year, if that.

Certainly not "every day all over this country."

Don't mistake blacks being shot by police while in the commission of serious crimes and presenting a credible threat to the public and the officers with blacks being executed by police for no reason other than racist whim.

Two very different things. One happens constantly, one essentially never happens. There were probably a couple cases per year of it in the 1900's through 1950's. Maybe.
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Please feel free to refute my statement with some evidence of your own.

Any information provided by The Conservative TreeHouse, Justice Quest or Alex Jones is not valid.
 
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LTC8K6 said:
Yes, that's why you shoot quickly.

Whenever Brown turned around and charged? I don't know how we could determine that.
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That story suggests Brown stopped at 35' then bumrushed him, but was found 35' away from the truck, that's what I mean by that can't be the story.

The officer likely missed a few times, so the shots fired will not equal hits.
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Understood.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Yes, that's why you shoot quickly.

Whenever Brown turned around and charged? I don't know how we could determine that.

The officer likely missed a few times, so the shots fired will not equal hits.
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Then he's a lousy shot or he needs to go back for additional training. The point is, he had no business firing his gun into Michael Brown when he was down on the ground, bleeding from his head.
 
Kaosium said:
That story suggests Brown stopped at 35' then bumrushed him, but was found 35' away from the truck, that's what I mean by that can't be the story.
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The friend is telling something second hand and is incorporating the 35' information that she has since become aware of through the reporting, in an attempt to directly address one of the main things which has been concerning people (his distance from the police car at time of death.)

If you were talking to the officer himself right now he would almost certainly say that Brown had initially run further away than that.
 
KatieG said:
Only if they are black! Didn't you get the memo?
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After watching the robbery video, I can't say I am sad that Brown is dead. But I would be even happier if he'd been white since then we'd have one less thug without having to listen to all the "Young black choirboy shot on way to cure cancer" spin the media is feeding us.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
The friend is telling something second hand and is incorporating the 35' information that she has since become aware of through the reporting, in an attempt to directly address one of the main things which has been concerning people (his distance from the police car at time of death.)

If you were talking to the officer himself right now he would almost certainly say that Brown had initially run further away than that.
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I know. I was hoping to provoke someone else into doing my googling for me and track down what the story really is. :)

One thing though, too much farther away and it becomes mystifying that anyone would rush a trained man with a weapon. However that video from the convenience store suggests someone who's....not thinking straight....

Why does it take four weeks for toxicology?
 
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