Michael Brown shooting II

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Upchurch said:
Do you know what grounds their lawyer intend to base their suit?

If not, you are essentially answering a question before it is asked. You may be end up being right, but it is still jumping to a conclusion.

There is also the other consideration that those two investigations were considering a higher standard of evidence than what this lawsuit will be up against. Criminal cases have to be decided beyond a reasonable doubt. Juries in civil cases, depending on the type of case, can assign percentages of blame to both parties. If the jury decides the City of Ferguson is, say, 10% liable, Brown's family may get some money, even if it isn't everything they are asking for.
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So, to continue your example, if Brown was 90% liable ... is his family or estate liable for 90% of the riot damage etc?
 
Giz said:
So, to continue your example, if Brown was 90% liable ... is his family or estate liable for 90% of the riot damage etc?
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If the city files a counter-suit, I believe so. I'm sure it is probably a more complex system than what I'm making it out to be, but that has been my experience as a juror on two civil cases.
 
Upchurch said:
IANAL, but I don't think you can submit that Brown is a criminal, even in civil court, without a criminal conviction. "Innocent until proven guilty" and whatnot.
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Horse ****. The guy's a criminal. We are on an Internet discussion board, not in a court. He shoplifted and assaulted someone on video. I don't need a criminal conviction to call him a criminal. You are really grasping at straws here.
 
carlitos said:
Horse ****. The guy's a criminal. We are on an Internet discussion board, not in a court. He shoplifted and assaulted someone on video. I don't need a criminal conviction to call him a criminal. You are really grasping at straws here.
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I'm not grasping at anything. You're missing my point.

I think what you are saying about Brown probably correct, but he is not a criminal in the eyes of the law because he has never been convicted of the robbery or anything else that we know of. I doubt that it can be assumed he is a criminal for the sake of the civil lawsuit.

Today, anyway, the topic has been the lawsuit. If you came to rage about Brown apart from the lawsuit, that's fine. Knock yourself out. But, don't take what I said out of context.
 
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It's possible that Wilson wasn't to blame but that the city was negligent in failing to provide adequate training/equipment alternatives to allow Wilson non-lethal options.
 
jimbob said:
It's possible that Wilson wasn't to blame but that the city was negligent in failing to provide adequate training/equipment alternatives to allow Wilson non-lethal options.
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That's probably a fairly good guess as to the tact they will take. They might also play off of the DOJ report of systemic racism in the justice system.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
It's Michael Brown's fault, entirely and solely.
And the City should sue the parents.
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He was a criminal but still had rights in law. In the UK, police forces have been prosecuted under the Health and Safety at Work Acts

What should the City sue the parents for? How much money would it cost and how much would it recover?
 
Upchurch said:
I'm not grasping at anything. You're missing my point.

I think what you are saying about Brown probably correct, but he is not a criminal in the eyes of the law because he has never been convicted of the robbery or anything else that we know of. I doubt that it can be assumed he is a criminal for the sake of the civil lawsuit.

Today, anyway, the topic has been the lawsuit. If you came to rage about Brown apart from the lawsuit, that's fine. Knock yourself out. But, don't take what I said out of context.
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Understood. I think that I was missing your point. Apologies for being so adamant in doing so.
 
jimbob said:
He was a criminal but still had rights in law. In the UK, police forces have been prosecuted under the Health and Safety at Work Acts

What should the City sue the parents for? How much money would it cost and how much would it recover?
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Compensation for the cost of the rioting which the step father encouraged, for just one example.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Compensation for the cost of the rioting which the step father encouraged, for just one example.
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Again, that is a criminal charge that the city failed to prosecute him for. I think it is, at least, uncommon for a municipality to sue for compensation for a criminal act for which the person has not been convicted or even charges brought up against them.

What's another example?
 
jimbob said:
And where is this money coming from?
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I'm sure the Browns are great income earners. They'll think of something.
This family has gall to be suing the City like this.
I'm sure this meritless suit will be thrown out of court however.
 
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I've been wondering why such a high percentage of people arrested on the Res are Native American. Anybody got a statistical analysis?: D
 
Mike! said:
The pile of, 'stuff', in the road is getting to be a bit of a traffic problem...
http://fox2now.com/2015/05/05/ferguson-exploring-options-for-memorial-to-michael-brown/
Yes, that sounds good. Because when I think of a six foot two, strong arm robber, an embedded dove is the first thing that comes to mind. :rolleyes:
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Oh, fer ****'s sake...are these people brain-damaged?


Wait...
The lawsuit, filed last week by Dorian Johnson, claims that the officer, Darren Wilson, fired at him and Brown as they ran away from him on Aug. 9. The lawsuit claims Wilson targeted him without probable cause.

"Officer Wilson acted with either deliberate indifference and/or reckless disregard toward" Johnson, the lawsuit says.

The lawsuit seeks $25,000 in damages.http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/witness-michael-brown-shooting-sues-ferguson-n354221
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...yeah. Yeah. Seems DJ's got a different story to tell now. Different from the one he told police, the FBI, the grand jury...

He's also apparently living down in Louisiana now. Guess that 8.00/hr. Parks Department job they set him up with wasn't cutting it.
 
HenryLee said:
Oh, fer ****'s sake...are these people brain-damaged?



Wait...
...yeah. Yeah. Seems DJ's got a different story to tell now. Different from the one he told police, the FBI, the grand jury...

He's also apparently living down in Louisiana now. Guess that 8.00/hr. Parks Department job they set him up with wasn't cutting it.
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I had previously thought the human body was studied and categorized thoroughly but this guy has invented a new nerve that doctors gotta get hip to.

Thought I'd never hear his name again. Ferguson owes him a beating.
 
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