Michael Brown shooting II

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Monketey Ghost said:
I would love to hear an explanation for why the man hasn't been arrested for inciting to riot. His meaning couldn't have been clearer had he said "Let's all riot!"
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Same here. I said it while watching the coverage live at the time. Oh my God, that guy just incited a riot.

Well, you can't blame the lawyer who took the case. There's a lot of money in those city coffers.
 
carlitos said:
Why on Earth does his family need "recourse?" We don't compensate the families of criminals when they go to jail, why should we compensate families when their criminal dependents get themselves killed?
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We'll have to see what their lawyers present, if it's open to the public.

But, don't forget that Brown was never tried nor convicted of anything. Legally, he isn't a criminal.
 
Upchurch said:
We'll have to see what their lawyers present, if it's open to the public.

But, don't forget that Brown was never tried nor convicted of anything. Legally, he isn't a criminal.
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Well, technically Charles Whitman was never tried or convicted either... so legally not a criminal (and his family would have been welcome to taxpayer money in Upchurch world).
 
Upchurch said:
I never said any such thing.
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Do you think Brown's family should receive any money?

Personally, while I think it's great that we have a system where they can bring the case, it should be thrown out at the earliest opportunity. And they should pay costs to the city for any time wasted.
 
Upchurch said:
We'll have to see what their lawyers present, if it's open to the public.



But, don't forget that Brown was never tried nor convicted of anything. Legally, he isn't a criminal.
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Wait, he was never tried or convicted of anything? You are sure of this? Juvenile records are sealed, I'm not sure how you could possibly know this.
 
Giz said:
Do you think Brown's family should receive any money?
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I have no idea what grounds their lawyers intend to base their suit. Do you?

It's a mistake to jump to conclusions, for or against, without knowing what the case is actually about.
 
carlitos said:
As you must have seen in this thread, inciting a riot. Lots of property damage ensued from the riot after the verdict.
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That seems more a criminal case than a civil case which, thus far, the authorities have declined to prosecute.

IANAL. Can a city sue over a criminal issue that it isn't criminally prosecuting?


carlitos said:
Wait, he was never tried or convicted of anything? You are sure of this? Juvenile records are sealed, I'm not sure how you could possibly know this.
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Fair enough. There is no available evidence that he was ever tried or convicted of anything. If that changes, I'll revise my statement.

Again, IANAL, but my understanding is that whatever he may have done as a juvenile cannot be used against him without some sort of judicial order. Legally, unless I'm mistaken about that, he still isn't a criminal.
 
Upchurch said:
I have no idea what grounds their lawyers intend to base their suit. Do you?

It's a mistake to jump to conclusions, for or against, without knowing what the case is actually about.
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Two investigations said it was a justified shooting. I don't think I am jumping to conclusions by saying they shouldn't get any money.
 
Upchurch said:
That seems more a criminal case than a civil case which, thus far, the authorities have declined to prosecute.



IANAL. Can a city sue over a criminal issue that it isn't criminally prosecuting?







Fair enough. There is no available evidence that he was ever tried or convicted of anything. If that changes, I'll revise my statement.



Again, IANAL, but my understanding is that whatever he may have done as a juvenile cannot be used against him without some sort of judicial order. Legally, unless I'm mistaken about that, he still isn't a criminal.
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I'm not interested in legally. I saw the video, he's a criminal.
 
Giz said:
Two investigations said it was a justified shooting. I don't think I am jumping to conclusions by saying they shouldn't get any money.
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Do you know what grounds their lawyer intend to base their suit?

If not, you are essentially answering a question before it is asked. You may be end up being right, but it is still jumping to a conclusion.

There is also the other consideration that those two investigations were considering a higher standard of evidence than what this lawsuit will be up against. Criminal cases have to be decided beyond a reasonable doubt. Juries in civil cases, depending on the type of case, can assign percentages of blame to both parties. If the jury decides the City of Ferguson is, say, 10% liable, Brown's family may get some money, even if it isn't everything they are asking for.
 
I'm pretty sure that the reason Michael Brown wasn't convicted of anything is because he died. He was definitely guilty of a crime but you can't prosecute a corpse.
 
This fool cost other people their livelihoods and the family is demanding compensation. It's one of the most arrogant things I've ever heard of.
Un- ***********-believable.
 
Upchurch said:
Unless we're on the jury, courts don't care what you or I think. They care about due process.
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I'm not sure why you are bringing up courts or due process. I can characterize a dead criminal as a criminal all I want. I do not need to check with a judge or jury in order to do this.
 
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