Michael Brown shooting II

[WildCat]

That must be an opinion because no one could claim to "know that." You could also take it a step further: if the Ferguson Police Department did not have a long history of mistreating black citizens there wouldn't have been any protests and there wouldn't have been any rioting. Sadly police shoot suspects in questionable circumstances in many places yet there is seldom any rioting as a result. Last summer and fall in New York City there were widespread protest demonstrations over the death of Eric Garner while in police custody and there were no riots.

Oh BS, all of the looting and burning happened during the night, and thanks to the police having to deal with "peaceful protesters" there was no manpower to stop it.

And the whole mess started with the "hands up don't shoot" lie which even the Justice Dept. was forced to admit.

 

[newyorkguy]

How much manpower does "dealing with peaceful protesters" require?

Why are you so eager to limit people's right to peacefully assemble? In other threads you attack people who support common sense restrictions on firearms by calling them violators of civil rights. You often draw racial parallels, too. Where is your concern that because an incident might incite some people to violence the majority should then have their right to peacefully assemble taken away? As you seem to be arguing.

 

[jimbob]

How much manpower does "dealing with peaceful protesters" require?

Why are you so eager to limit people's right to peacefully assemble? In other threads you attack people who support common sense restrictions on firearms by calling them violators of civil rights. You often draw racial parallels, too. Where is your concern that because an incident might incite some people to violence the majority should then have their right to peacefully assemble taken away? As you seem to be arguing.

As this has been raised, the report details attacks on the first, the fourth the fifth (possibly the fewest examples, but also the worst ETA: IMO) and the fourteenth amendments.

 

[Upchurch]

Oh BS, all of the looting and burning happened during the night, and thanks to the police having to deal with "peaceful protesters" there was no manpower to stop it.

Protesting is not against the law. It is, in fact constitutionally protected.

You might as well argue that the FPD's inept response to the protests enabled the looting.

 

[jimbob]

It is probably worth quoting some of the report on the first amendment too:

Despite these lawsuits, it appears that FPD continues to interfere with individuals’ rights to protest and record police activities. On February 9, 2015, several individuals were protesting outside the Ferguson police station on the six-month anniversary of Michael Brown’s death. According to protesters, and consistent with several video recordings from that evening, the protesters stood peacefully in the police department’s parking lot, on the sidewalks in front of it, and across the street. Video footage shows that two FPD vehicles abruptly accelerated from the police parking lot into the street. An officer announced, “everybody here’s going to jail,” causing the protesters to run. Video shows that as one man recorded the police arresting others, he was arrested for interfering with police action. Officers pushed him to the ground, began handcuffing him, and announced, “stop resisting or you’re going to get tased.” It appears from the video, however, that the man was neither interfering nor resisting. A protester in a wheelchair who was live streaming the protest was also arrested. Another officer moved several people with cameras away from the scene of the arrests, warning them against interfering and urging them to back up or else be arrested for Failure to Obey. The sergeant shouted at those filming that they would be arrested for Manner of Walking if they did not back away out of the street, even though it appears from the video recordings that the protesters and those recording were on the sidewalk at most, if not all, times. Six people were arrested during this incident. It appears that officers’ escalation of this incident was unnecessary and in response to derogatory comments written in chalk on the FPD parking lot asphalt and on a police vehicle

It doesn't look as if the FPD is learning

 

[newyorkguy]

It is shocking that after all that has happened the Ferguson Police Department can still behave this way.

An officer announced, “everybody here’s going to jail,” causing the protesters to run. Video shows that as one man recorded the police arresting others, he was arrested for interfering with police action...A protester in a wheelchair who was live streaming the protest was also arrested.

This has happened before many times in many places. There is a counter, however. Marshal large numbers of demonstrators and instruct them to peacefully refuse to desist or move. Force the police to make mass arrests. If there are enough people present the police will have a logistical problem arresting all of them. e.g. Not enough jail space, not adequate transport available, not enough personnel to process all the paperwork. Then everyone pleads Not Guilty and the local court system becomes inundated with the influx of cases. The jurisdiction becomes overwhelmed with all the costs the mass arrests create. Finally the leaders see a way out: stop violating protester's first amendment rights.

I hope the decent people in Missouri do this. If I didn't live one thousand miles away I'd join them.

 

[Mumbles]

How much manpower does "dealing with peaceful protesters" require?

Why are you so eager to limit people's right to peacefully assemble? In other threads you attack people who support common sense restrictions on firearms by calling them violators of civil rights. You often draw racial parallels, too. Where is your concern that because an incident might incite some people to violence the majority should then have their right to peacefully assemble taken away? As you seem to be arguing.

It's hard to believe that the argument could look more silly, but once you realize who, exactly, was going out of their way to stop the looters, it does.

Amazing how the police could stop people from standing still for 5 seconds, blast the press and random people on the street with tear gas, but never appeared when people were breaking into liquor stores, isn't it?

 

[KatieG]

Because the "peaceful protestors" insisted on protesting late into the night thus giving cover for those who used the opportunity to loot and burn.

I was not aware protestors had to adhere to a schedule you set for them.

 

[Upchurch]

I was not aware protestors had to adhere to a schedule you set for them.

The First Amendment is only applicable between the hours of 8 AM and 5 PM. it's in the Constitution. Look it up.

 

[bobdroege7]

After I peaceably went to Furguson and bought a rode bike, I didn't realize I could have been shot.

 

[WildCat]

How much manpower does "dealing with peaceful protesters" require?

Why are you so eager to limit people's right to peacefully assemble? In other threads you attack people who support common sense restrictions on firearms by calling them violators of civil rights. You often draw racial parallels, too. Where is your concern that because an incident might incite some people to violence the majority should then have their right to peacefully assemble taken away? As you seem to be arguing.

Protesting is not against the law. It is, in fact constitutionally protected.

You might as well argue that the FPD's inept response to the protests enabled the looting.

The courts have long ruled that time, place, and manner restrictions on protests are allowable under the Constitution. The right to protest, after all, does not trump other persons rights to use the roads and parks or be kept awake at midnight because of chanting, drumming, bullhorn-using protestors.

And, of course, thanks to the "peaceful protestors" protesting at midnight they provided the perfect cover for 2 cops to get shot last night.

Way to go peaceful protestors!

 

[WildCat]

Wow, I can't believe no one posted this yet: 2 cops shot last night during the peaceful protests.

Upchurch, this is a perfect example why the courts have held that time, place, and manner restrictions on protests are Constitutional. Your "peaceful protestors" almost cost 2 cops their lives last night, cops who had nothing to do with Ferguson or the government policies your elected officials implemented to generate revenue.

 

[Upchurch]

Wow, I can't believe no one posted this yet: 2 cops shot last night during the peaceful protests.

Someone did.

Upchurch, this is a perfect example why the courts have held that time, place, and manner restrictions on protests are Constitutional. Your "peaceful protestors" almost cost 2 cops their lives last night, cops who had nothing to do with Ferguson or the government policies your elected officials implemented to generate revenue.

Even though the protestors did not aim the gun or pull the trigger, you are blaming them for the shooting because they were in the area? By this standard, should you not also blame those who manufactured and sold the gun? Or the people who built the street? Or the press? Or the other cops who were also there? If not, why not?

How is this not the 100% responsibility of the person who pulled the trigger?

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Ferguson's just a few more firings away from being a Paradise, I tell you!

 

[WildCat]

How is this not the 100% responsibility of the person who pulled the trigger?

Protests late into the night enable this sort of thing and do nothing to enhance the protestors getting their message out.

Burning, looting, and now 2 cops shot all enabled by late night peaceful protests. None of this crap happened during the daylight protests.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

You can't possibly be suggesting that bad people take advantage of the cover of darkness and the anonymity of crowds!
Ridiculous!

 

[WildCat]

I wonder how many of the "peaceful protestors" caught the shooting on video but are not cooperating with the police? Everything seems to be video recorded by these peaceful protestors, except the criminal activities by those in their midst.

 

[Upchurch]

Protests late into the night enable this sort of thing and do nothing to enhance the protestors getting their message out.

Predictably, you avoided the hard questions;

By this standard, should you not also blame those who manufactured and sold the gun? Or the people who built the street? Or the press? Or the other cops who were also there? If not, why not?

 

[Upchurch]

You can't possibly be suggesting that bad people take advantage of the cover of darkness and the anonymity of crowds!
Ridiculous!

Of course, they did. That doesn't make it the crowd's fault any more than it makes it the Earth's fault for rotating our bit of land away from the Sun. WildCat is blaming the protestors because he disagrees with them, not because they have any actual culpability in the riots or shootings. Those who actually do should be tried and convicted, but it is not the act of protesting, itself, that is the problem.

 

[WildCat]

Predictably, you avoided the hard questions;

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This isn't a gun control thread, stay on topic or start another thread.

Here's more of the peaceful protest last night, notice how they peacefully swarmed this woman's car and peacefully kept her from going about her business on a public street.

http://doblim.com/item/401867_developing-two-police-officers-shot-in-ferguson

I guess she's lucky she wasn't peacefully shot. And notice all the cameras, which all somehow fail to ever capture all the criminality at these peaceful protests.