Michael Brown shooting II

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NoahFence said:
He just got through robbing a store for crying out loud. And attacking a cop.

How about 'jerk'?
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I get the impression that describing Brown as extremely evil is more in line with your own thoughts. I don't think even you'd agree that someone simply being a "jerk" is enough to warrant a lethal response.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I don't think "extreme evil", which you implicitly agreed was Brown's disposition at the time, is a safe assumption. Unless you believe Wilson's claim that Brown looked "like a demon" was because Brown's demonic heritage was bubbling to the surface. :rolleyes:
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A demonic look, bulking up and ignoring the pain of bullet wounds? Looks like brown was possessed by Satan and Wilson was lucky to keep his soul let alone his life. Maybe they should give the cops some holy water.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
At least you've dropped the pretense that it was "punishment"

Based on the (lack of) arguments you put forth in this thread, all I can discern is that you believe Michael Brown is a human being (on which we agree) and that ... something. I don't know what. Please help me understand. What exactly is your position on this case ?
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I wasn't aware I was pretending to anything.

I see no arguments here, rants and speculative stories yes, facts no.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I get the impression that describing Brown as extremely evil is more in line with your own thoughts. I don't think even you'd agree that someone simply being a "jerk" is enough to warrant a lethal response.
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Being a jerk is certainly not enough to warrant a lethal response. However, being a jerk who is attacking a cop trying to take his weapon is.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
At least you've dropped the pretense that it was "punishment"

Based on the (lack of) arguments you put forth in this thread, all I can discern is that you believe Michael Brown is a human being (on which we agree) and that ... something. I don't know what. Please help me understand. What exactly is your position on this case ?
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tsig said:
I wasn't aware I was pretending to anything.

I see no arguments here, rants and speculative stories yes, facts no.
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Me either, just snark. :rolleyes:

If you missed the facts in this case, I can't help you. They were plentiful.

Why not answer the question on your position ?
 
NoahFence said:
Being a jerk is certainly not enough to warrant a lethal response. However, being a jerk who is attacking a cop trying to take his weapon is.
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I'm sure there are plenty of jerks who have acted like jerks toward police and managed to walk away with their life, so I don't think simply labeling someone a jerk is a particularly meaningful, or even mature, way to justify the victim's fate.
 
qayak said:
In actual fact, they didn't find out about the robbery until after the shooting when Brown's friend Johnson told them about it. At that time they went to the store to view the CC video and then subpoenaed the video.
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Errr...no.

Vol. IV; p. 139:

Did you make contact with the police to let them know what was going on?

At that time I was real fearful, I was more scared of police. I should say I didn't want them to know when I ran the first time, everyone was saying well, there was somebody with him, he ran so fast we couldn't tell who it was, that's how fast I was running. Even people who see me every day in my
complex didn't know it was me running.​

The same day of the incident, an FPD detective working the robbery visited the scene after viewing the security video and IDed Brown as the shooting victim:

It is worth mentioning that this incident is related to another incident detailed under Ferguson Police Report # 2014-12391 as well as St. Louis County Police Report # 2014-43984. In that incident, Brown was fatally wounded involving an officer of this department. l responded to that scene and observed Brown. After viewing Brown and reviewing this video, I was able to confirm that Brown is the primary suspect in this incident. A second person also at that scene identified himself as being with Brown.

That person was later identified as Dorian Johnson. Alter observing Johnson and reviewing the video, I confirmed he is the second suspect in this incident.​
 
qayak said:
That's what Wilson claimed but there was no mention of the robbery, or robbery suspect, on the police radio when they called for help from St. Louis police. No mention. What there was mention of was an incident where someone walking on the street was shot by a Ferguson cop.

In actual fact, they didn't find out about the robbery until after the shooting when Brown's friend Johnson told them about it. At that time they went to the store to view the CC video and then subpoenaed the video.
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This is the radio traffic.

Track 349 and 358 describe the robbery suspect.

They didn't mention it to St. Louis, but that does not mean that Wilson did not know about it. The traffic is not super clear, but it is obvious that dispatch is communicating with multiple officers regarding the robbery on the same channel that Wilson is using to communicate to dispatch. Dispatch describes the suspect and the description matches Brown. This matches Wilson's testimony.


(ETA: Wilson seems to be Officer 21, also called Frank 21, the description of the suspect comes in before the encounter with Brown, that seems to start around Track 369)
 
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Since my point isn't clear, let me make it as clear as can be.

Things are not always as they appear.
 
NoahFence said:
Why then did you link to two unrelated events? What IS your point?
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My point is that when it comes to judging the character of people assumptions based in part on bias often have bad outcomes. Absent the video evidence of those two incidents, I'm willing to bet the evidence would have been sufficient for most people to assume that the victims had done what was claimed of them.

NoahFence said:
...and sometimes they are. Like in this case.
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No. Just because you say they are doesn't make it so.

Michael Brown is responsible for Michael Brown's death. Nobody else.
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I don't know that. You don't know that. You can sit there behind your computer and type all day asserting that you know something but at the end of the day you don't. There is a lot that is troubling about this incident. None of it is enough to sway me either way. If you are confident in your judgement that is fine but don't pretend you know what happened.

Don't tell the rest of us what happened when you were not there.
 
RandFan said:
My point is that when it comes to judging the character of people assumptions based in part on bias often have bad outcomes. Absent the video evidence of those two incidents, I'm willing to bet the evidence would have been sufficient for most people to assume that the victims had done what was claimed of them.

No. Just because you say they are doesn't make it so.

I don't know that. You don't know that. You can sit there behind your computer and type all day asserting that you know something but at the end of the day you don't. There is a lot that is troubling about this incident. None of it is enough to sway me either way. If you are confident in your judgement that is fine but don't pretend you know what happened.

Don't tell the rest of us what happened when you were not there.
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Exactly. A true skeptic ignores all the forensic evidence.
 
tsig said:
A demonic look, bulking up and ignoring the pain of bullet wounds? Looks like brown was possessed by Satan and Wilson was lucky to keep his soul let alone his life. Maybe they should give the cops some holy water.
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Brown was more like Sebastian Shaw, absorbing and deflecting the initial 6 rounds of fire, but there was one problem for him, Wilson is like leech, so once Brown came in too close he lost his mutant powers and was downed like any ordinary human.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Not only do you reason like a Creationist, you're starting to sound like one too. Teach the controversy!
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Much of what transpired in Ferguson is not known to us as objective facts. That officer Wilson was reasonably in fear of his life is not an objective fact. That Michael Brown charged an armed man is not an objective fact. Evolution is an objective fact.

Here are some other objective facts.

  • Brown was taller than Wilson
  • Wilson shot Brown in the top of the head, the bullet exiting out of his chin IIRC
  • Brown's wounds are consistent with someone being shot while they are falling.
I'm honest enough to say that I don't know. That doesn't make me a believer in the supernatural.
 
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