Michael Brown shooting II

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stanfr said:
The act of sending it to the GJ certainly wasn't irregular (aside from the fact that a less public case may never have even gotten that far) What was irregular was the way the prosecutor basically acted as Wilson's defense counsel in the proceedings. Makes one take pause....
This case on the other hand has the huge advantage of having video of the incident, no avoiding that.
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Sometimes Grand Juries are just convened to investigate aren't they? In those kind of Grand Juries what is the function of the prosecutor? It seems like he is there to work with the grand jury to get all the information that they request in front of them. Do I have this idea wrong? Assuming that I am roughly right isn't there precedents for the prosecution using the grand jury as more of an investigatory tool than a mechanism to justify a prosecution? Would it have been wrong for the DA to do that in this case? Do you think that is what the DA did here?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I guess 'teenager' does make 6'4" 300lbs seem a little less threatening..
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One would think that a 6'4," 220 pound cop would not be scared of a 6'4," 300 pound teenager. Considering the teenager was severely overweight and unarmed while the cop was armed to the teeth.

And, if Wilson was so scared of Brown, why did he escalate an engagement over a simple jaywalking incident? The claim that he was a robbery suspect came days later, there was no report of the robbery incident. When the Ferguson police asked for assistance from St. Louise, they had no information about what was going on, only that a large crowd was gathering and they needed help with crowd control.

When the reports of a cop involved shooting started coming into the St. Louis police it was stated that the shooting occurred after a cop told a teenager to stop walking on the street and the situation escalated. No mention of a robbery suspect.
 
qayak said:
OThe claim that he was a robbery suspect came days later, there was no report of the robbery incident. .
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This has been addressed many times in this thread. The robbery was reported on the police radio, Wilson had asked if he was needed there, and was heading in that general direction before he encountered Brown jaywalking.

Immediately after Brown and Wilson separated after the Jaywalking contact, the the police radio gave a description of the robbery suspect. Brown matched that description, which is what caused Wilson to initiate the second encounter.
 
NoahFence said:
Ah. You're in the "gentle giant" camp?
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I see you're in the "need to label people" camp.

No I just think that dying in a hail of bullets is unusual why would that put me in any 'camp' but those who think it's unusual?
 
NoahFence said:
I'm simply commenting on folks who ignore the mountain of evidence that supports this not being a case of Wilson being judge / jury / executioner.
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Other than the fact of the dead body which says that someone was judge/jury/executioner.

Oh wait...Brown's extreme evil just brought on his death somehow?
 
tsig said:
Other than the fact of the dead body which says that someone was judge/jury/executioner.

Oh wait...Brown's extreme evil just brought on his death somehow?
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Correct.

Remove the blinders and take this case on a singular basis, judging this case only, and you'll fairly easily figure out that "somehow".
 
NoahFence said:
Remove the blinders and take this case on a singular basis, judging this case only, and you'll fairly easily figure out that "somehow".
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Taking this case on a singular basis. I've no idea if Brown was malignantly evil and neither do you. I don't know if Wilson was a great officer, mediocre or a prick. Neither do you. I don't know if Wilson reasonably feared for his life and neither do you.
 
RandFan said:
I think we should tread lightly when it comes to rights. However, in the case of police officers there is clearly an unequal distribution of power and authority. Officers have authority over civilians in a way that civilians don't over officers. If it is axiomatic that everyone must have identical rights at all times then I think we have a paradox on our hands.
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That power disparity needs further restrictions. It's that simple. The public deserves more accountability from its public servants.
 
RandFan said:
Taking this case on a singular basis. I've no idea if Brown was malignantly evil and neither do you. I don't know if Wilson was a great officer, mediocre or a prick. Neither do you. I don't know if Wilson reasonably feared for his life and neither do you.
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We can make some pretty safe assumptions based on evidence though. If we so choose.
 
tsig said:
Other than the fact of the dead body which says that someone was judge/jury/executioner.

Oh wait...Brown's extreme evil just brought on his death somehow?
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And the "demonic" look.

Turn a kid into an animal and a GJ will let you shot him to death. Tried and true.
 
crescent said:
This has been addressed many times in this thread. The robbery was reported on the police radio, Wilson had asked if he was needed there, and was heading in that general direction before he encountered Brown jaywalking.

Immediately after Brown and Wilson separated after the Jaywalking contact, the the police radio gave a description of the robbery suspect. Brown matched that description, which is what caused Wilson to initiate the second encounter.
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That's what Wilson claimed but there was no mention of the robbery, or robbery suspect, on the police radio when they called for help from St. Louis police. No mention. What there was mention of was an incident where someone walking on the street was shot by a Ferguson cop.

In actual fact, they didn't find out about the robbery until after the shooting when Brown's friend Johnson told them about it. At that time they went to the store to view the CC video and then subpoenaed the video.
 
NoahFence said:
We can make some pretty safe assumptions based on evidence though. If we so choose.
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I don't think "extreme evil", which you implicitly agreed was Brown's disposition at the time, is a safe assumption. Unless you believe Wilson's claim that Brown looked "like a demon" was because Brown's demonic heritage was bubbling to the surface. :rolleyes:
 
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tsig said:
I see you're in the "need to label people" camp.

No I just think that dying in a hail of bullets is unusual why would that put me in any 'camp' but those who think it's unusual?
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At least you've dropped the pretense that it was "punishment"

Based on the (lack of) arguments you put forth in this thread, all I can discern is that you believe Michael Brown is a human being (on which we agree) and that ... something. I don't know what. Please help me understand. What exactly is your position on this case ?
 
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