Michael Brown shooting II

[Cylinder]

Did you read the article? Ferguson PD are required to file a Use of Force Report. This is not related to who does any investigation. Their own policy says that the sergeant on duty that day should have filed one, but he did not. In other words, prior to the investigation, there are many pieces of paperwork, all subject to FOIA, that the FPD should have produced but didn't.

That's not the correct interpretation.

Missouri Revised Statutes 610.100.1(5) defines the term investigative report as:

a record, other than an arrest or incident report, prepared by personnel of a law enforcement agency, inquiring into a crime or suspected crime, either in response to an incident report or in response to evidence developed by law enforcement officers in the course of their duties.
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610.100.2 controls when these records become public:

Each law enforcement agency of this state, of any county, and of any municipality shall maintain records of all incidents reported to the agency, investigations and arrests made by such law enforcement agency. All incident reports and arrest reports shall be open records. Notwithstanding any other provision of law other than the provisions of subsections 4, 5 and 6 of this section or section 320.083, investigative reports of all law enforcement agencies are closed records until the investigation becomes inactive...
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Regardless of any other provision of law, all investigative reports into this use of force are closed until:

(a) A decision by the law enforcement agency not to pursue the case;

(b) Expiration of the time to file criminal charges pursuant to the applicable statute of limitations, or ten years after the commission of the offense; whichever date earliest occurs;

(c) Finality of the convictions of all persons convicted on the basis of the information contained in the investigative report, by exhaustion of or expiration of all rights of appeal of such persons;
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[TheL8Elvis]

That's not the "Mind's Eye" guy is it?

Bingo

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Wonder why Wilson didn't bother reapplying?

Do you ? The Washington post article quite plainly addressed that. Didn't you read it ?

A pay-raise and step up.

How many eye rolls is that worth ?

 

[Cylinder]

The store robbery investigation was closed when the suspect turned up dead. So no problem with publicizing the tape. Which was done as a FOIA request.

Try to keep up.

..and it wasn't released the day after the shooting or when the pressure started to release Wilson's name, but when the legal decision was made to respond to the requests.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I never claimed,as a fact, he wasn't shot from behind.

I claimed it wasn't necessary he was shot from behind.

...

Who's on first?
No, what's on first, Whose on second.

I quoted you multiple times:

...Lots of posters are claiming brown was not shot from behind, which is consistent with the states autopsy, and badens autopsy...

While you are inconsistently saying "consistent with the autopsy" here, there were many times you argued with Fudbucker that the evidence showed he WAS NOT hit from any of those shots from behind.

Please semantically parse the difference between shooting from behind and being shot from behind.

Fudbucker is saying he wasn't hit from behind, not shot at. Perhaps we should use 'Hit' and 'shot at' to differentiate.

If that doesn't say shot at but not hit, what does it say? Where is the "consistent with" caveat in that post?

So you'll be providing proof he WAS shot from behind, then ?

No, you have that wrong. You made the claim he was NOT shot from behind.

So you'll be providing proof he WAS NOT shot from behind, then ?

To which you never did.

The whole point is, not being hit from behind is consistent with the autopsy
Which is not the same as WAS NOT hit from behind.

Right. In which post do you think anyone said otherwise?


Of course some of the claims come from

We can really only speculate on what happened, but based on what's been released so far: the video, the autopsy report that contradicts witness accounts that Brown was shot in the back,

He repeated it multiple times after that.


And from

...it was publicly released: no bullets to the back

Maybe you didn't mean to agree with everything in his post?

As Cain pointed out:

It sure is on its own, but it's independently confirmed by "Josie's" account, and she correctly anticipated the ballistics report before it was publicly released: no bullets to the back; the lethal blow came to the forehead.

But it looked like you did.

And when I ask you for evidence, instead of just hand-waving it away with vague things like "witnesses" try providing some factual details. It will make the conversation more productive.

Vague things like 4 or more eyewitnesses that were there and that have physical evidence that for the most part matches what they said?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That's a false dichotomy.

Only if you take it out of context where it was claimed that other evidence was withheld because it was part of the investigation.

Either it was or was not relevant to the investigation.

If they cannot release other evidence relative to the investigation, why is this different?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The store robbery investigation was closed when the suspect turned up dead. So no problem with publicizing the tape. Which was done as a FOIA request.

Try to keep up.

Then it's not also relevant to the Wilson shooting, is it?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Do you ? The Washington post article quite plainly addressed that. Didn't you read it ?

A pay-raise and step up.

How many eye rolls is that worth ?

Then did the other officers apply for the Ferguson job?

That is one possible reason but it doesn't exclude the possible fact he also wasn't going to be rehired.

It's too bad the Jennings City Council had no qualms firing everyone and sending them out to be corrupt and racist elsewhere. It might have been nice to identify the specifics of the offenders but I imagine that risked a slander or libel claim.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

If every one who was stupid and impulsive was shot there would be bodies all over the place.

Indeed..

Your point?

My conclusion would be that every one who is stupid and impulsive doesn't get shot...

 

[This is The End]

What, thug?

thug noun \ˈthəg\
: a violent criminal
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug

Brown was a thug. So is Vladimar Putin.

People who behave like thugs are thugs. What are you, the PC police?

Yep, because words mean exactly what they say in the dictionary and nothing else.

Like tweet. Tweet is the chirping sound a small bird makes and Thug has absolutely no racial meaning whatsoever.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

What, thug?

thug noun \ˈthəg\
: a violent criminal
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug

Ooh, I know how to play this game! Definitions are fun!

A dog whistle (also known as silent whistle or Galton's whistle) is a type of whistle that emits sound in the ultrasonic range, which people cannot hear but other animals can, including dogs and domestic cats, and is used in their training.

 

[Giz]

Yep, because words mean exactly what they say in the dictionary and nothing else.

Like tweet. Tweet is the chirping sound a small bird makes and Thug has absolutely no racial meaning whatsoever.

Are you saying I can't call Putin a thug any more?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Are you saying I can't call Putin a thug any more?

So, is every shoplifter that shoves a clerk a thug, or only the black men that have done that?

 

[This is The End]

Are you saying I can't call Putin a thug any more?

WTF? Did you even read my analogy?

You might as well be asking me: "Are you saying I can't call the chirping sound a small bird makes a tweet any more?"

But if that bird is holding a smartphone you better be careful!

 

[Giz]

So, is every shoplifter that shoves a clerk a thug, or only the black men that have done that?

Every robber that uses force and/or the threat of physical violence is a thug.

By the way, you are being highly insulting by implying that people are racist. I assume that it is because you are trying to shut down debate rather than making undeserved personal attacks against other forum members.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Fortunately for Wilson he didn't shoot an elk:

BOULDER, Colo. – A former Boulder police officer convicted of killing a treasured bull elk in an upscale neighborhood was sentenced Friday to four years of probation.

Sam Carter, 37, was on duty when he killed the elk known as "Big Boy" on New Year's Day 2013 while it grazed under a crabapple tree. He did not report firing his weapon and then said the animal had been injured and needed to be put down.

Prosecutors said text messages between Carter and another former Boulder police officer, Brent Curnow, showed the shooting was planned. The elk was a fixture in the neighborhood and its killing inspired marches, vigils, a tribute song and plans for a memorial.

A jury convicted Carter in June of nine charges, including three felonies — forgery, tampering with evidence and attempting to influence a public official. Carter, who faced up to six years in prison, also was ordered Friday to complete 200 hours of community service, serve on a work crew for 30 days and pay $10,200 in fines,

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/2...4-years-probation-for-killing-big-boy-trophy/

 

[Howie Felterbush]

Fortunately for Wilson he didn't shoot an elk:

The elk was coming right at him!

 

[This is The End]

Every robber that uses force and/or the threat of physical violence is a thug.

For about the 100th time: words have multiple meanings. Please understand that.

Sure everyone who picks beans is a bean picker, but you better not call the Hispanic ones that. (Terrible analogy I know, but I just can't believe people aren't understanding why they should not use the word "thug" in certain cases. [The first analogy I was going to use was even more of a failure: (calling stupid people retarded is fairly acceptable in the US currently (not that I agree with it) but you wouldn't call a mentally challenged person that.)]

Just step back for a moment and actually consider it when people tell you that you might not want to be using the word thug in this situation.

By the way, you are being highly insulting by implying that people are racist.

That is not what it is at all. Quite often people are just not aware, like I assume you aren't. You might want to do some research on the word perhaps. It doesn't all stem from 1990s hip-hop culture, but that would be a good start.

I assume that it is because you are trying to shut down debate rather than making undeserved personal attacks against other forum members.

[sarcasm]Yep, letting people know that a word is offensive is "shutting down debate".[/sarcasm] Do I have to start linking to WW2 posters to illustrate this or something?

 

[Newtons Bit]

Fortunately for Wilson he didn't shoot an elk:

WTF. He was convicted on 3 felony counts and he gets probation?

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Every robber that uses force and/or the threat of physical violence is a thug.

So...what if you only perform one thuggish action in your entire life? Are you still a thug?

I'm still gonna ask why everybody is so focused on assaulting the victim's character and are ignoring Wilson completely. It's like they're bending over backwards to make Wilson look like an angel.