Michael Brown shooting II

[Fudbucker]

The audio recording is suspect: A guy is talking to his girlfriend, shots ring out, and he doesn't react to them in any way? I would have been:

"You are pretty-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG...WTF was that? I just heard a bunch of gunshots!"

 

[lionking]

No, nor did she claim to be. Is that all you've got ?

He account is credible in exactly which way?

 

[lionking]

The audio recording is suspect: A guy is talking to his girlfriend, shots ring out, and he doesn't react to them in any way? I would have been:

"You are pretty-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG...WTF was that? I just heard a bunch of gunshots!"

Okay, you haven't been following this case. The recording was time stamped at the exact time Brown was shot.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Some people behave in a suicidal way when cops draw arms.

Often ill-fated. Just look at the Charge of the Light Brigade.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

According to a witness he was bending over clutching his arm, presumably because he had been shot in the arm. He was some distance away with a gun trained on him. I think he had given up by then.

Are you talking about Brady, because he said doubled over, not bending over clutching his arm.

On the other hand, bending over clutching his arm, falling because of the injuries or he tripped, or trying to get on the ground as he was surrendering all leave Wilson with the same problem. He had 3 seconds to see that Brown was not charging at him.

And if you try to fit any of that into the post 3 second shooting gap and still get all of it to happen before 2 of the 4 shots (the last volley of three shots took 2 seconds), it just does not fit in the time frame.

Anything that puts Brown bending over, falling or getting down during or before the 3 second shooting lapse means Wilson shot at a man that was not coming at him.

 

[Fudbucker]

Okay, you haven't been following this case. The recording was time stamped at the exact time Brown was shot.

I know it was time-stamped. That just means whatever the recording was happened during the incident. If you were going to fake something, would you make it happen two hours before?

If you were having a conversation, and a bunch of gunshots rang out close to you, would you calmly carry on the conversation as if nothing happened?

 

[a_unique_person]

Are you talking about Brady, because he said doubled over, not bending over clutching his arm.

Holding is arms across his front. Brady seemed to assume he was holding his front, I am saying he was holding his arm.

 

[Fudbucker]

Let's talk about the recording as if it were authentic:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/michael-brown-audio-recording-shooting-ferguson-110343.html

Wilson shoots six times, and then there's a three second pause, and then more shots.

How does the recording prove anything? Wilson shoots six times, and hits Brown in the arm. Brown stumbles for a second, continues to rush Wilson, Wilson pauses for two seconds, and continues firing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well, he was a violent felon - that cannot be disputed.

Yes it can, if you want to get technical, he wasn't convicted.

Was he destined for a life of crime? Maybe, maybe not. We certainly hear plenty of whining about the "school to prison pipeline" and the "criminalization of black men" etc. - and why do we hear this whining? Well, one of the central premises is that once you're in the system a life of crime becomes one of the most predictable outcomes. Prisoners learn to be better criminals while in prison, having a record limits their options and makes them feel permanently excluded from law-abiding society so they keep increasingly engaging in more and worse crimes, etc.

So you don't know the first thing about the school to prison pipeline. Got it.

So, there are plenty of people who would argue that a life of crime is something very easy to lock into, and hard to get out of....[snipped more of the same unsupported speculation]

So, if someone has experience with football then that means they charge people like a bull? Or, if someone points out that he had a football background that means they're asserting he would've charged like a bull?

Maybe not everyone but that is indeed what Casebro asserted. Go look at his posts.

Him falling, for whatever reason, into those final bullets' trajectory remains our best explanation for those wound locations.

No, it does not. An angry out of control pissed off cop who kept shooting before calming down better fits the actual evidence. The only way your scenario works is if you try to fit the conclusion to the evidence and you toss out 4 eye witnesses in the process and ignore the fact for Brown to 'fall into the bullets' Wilson had to shoot at him after Brown was going down.

 

[Unabogie]

The audio recording is suspect: A guy is talking to his girlfriend, shots ring out, and he doesn't react to them in any way? I would have been:

"You are pretty-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG...WTF was that? I just heard a bunch of gunshots!"

No, the audio recording has been authenticated.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

He account is credible in exactly which way?

As Cain pointed out:

It sure is on its own, but it's independently confirmed by "Josie's" account, and she correctly anticipated the ballistics report before it was publicly released: no bullets to the back; the lethal blow came to the forehead.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

This.

Also: are Brown's juvenile records now unsealed?

No. It was covered earlier as well.

 

[Fudbucker]

No, the audio recording has been authenticated.

Link? All I've read is the recording matches the time of the shooting.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I wondered why you said "quote the post that said this," so I thought it would be fun to quote The Post.

Let's review, and please read for comprehension, dear:

It seems you've confused "character witnesses" for "posters on this forum." It's probably not a mistake you'll find all that embarrassing since it's one of many...

And you seem to be confusing "who might come forward and say that" with did say that.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Link? All I've read is the recording matches the time of the shooting.

The software company that made the ap had a record of the time and location of the recording.

 

[Fudbucker]

No. It was covered earlier as well.

Sorry for lack of total recall.

Who wants to bet that when his records are released, there will be other brushes with the law?

 

[Fudbucker]

The software company that made the ap had a record of the time and location of the recording.

No, authenticated means that the recording is a recording of what actually happened, not that it took place at the same time as the shootings.

 

[Unabogie]

Let's talk about the recording as if it were authentic:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/michael-brown-audio-recording-shooting-ferguson-110343.html

Wilson shoots six times, and then there's a three second pause, and then more shots.

How does the recording prove anything? Wilson shoots six times, and hits Brown in the arm. Brown stumbles for a second, continues to rush Wilson, Wilson pauses for two seconds, and continues firing.

The recording is authentic. This has been confirmed by the company who created it, using both timestamps and geolocation.

Second, Brown was running AWAY from Wilson during those six shots. This is confirmed by four witnesses and the police themselves. I know people want to say that the six shots are from Brown facing towards Wilson, but witnesses all say the same thing, and police have confirmed that Wilson was shooting at Brown as he was turned away from him.

So.

To me, this proves that from the time Wilson fired those six shots, to the time Wilson fired his next four, there was no time in which Brown could have turned, taunted, and rushed him before he started shooting again. This confirms what the witnesses say and is very bad for Officer Wilson. People want to concoct fantasy scenarios wherein this is not the case, but to do that you have to wave away all of the eyewitnesses who say exactly what I just wrote.

IMO, the idea that the six shots WERE NOT while Brown was running away is completely unsupported by any evidence.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Are you talking about Brady, because he said doubled over, not bending over clutching his arm.

On the other hand, bending over clutching his arm, falling because of the injuries or he tripped, or trying to get on the ground as he was surrendering all leave Wilson with the same problem. He had 3 seconds to see that Brown was not charging at him.

And if you try to fit any of that into the post 3 second shooting gap and still get all of it to happen before 2 of the 4 shots (the last volley of three shots took 2 seconds), it just does not fit in the time frame.

Anything that puts Brown bending over, falling or getting down during or before the 3 second shooting lapse means Wilson shot at a man that was not coming at him.

This is not the problem you keep making it out to be.

I don't doubt, in your mind, that three seconds is enough to label him a viscious murderer.

In real life, if Wilson told Brown to stop, and Brown came towards him, and Wilson fired 6 shots, and paused for 3 seconds, and if Brown continued to move towards him in any way, and he shot 4 more rounds at him, I don't believe he would be indicted. And even if he was, I believe he easily wins on self defense.

I guess we will have to wait and hear wilsons version, and see what is claimed actually happened.

 

[Unabogie]

No, authenticated means that the recording is a recording of what actually happened, not that it took place at the same time as the shootings.

And location. They verified that the recording happened exactly as Brown was being killed, and that the recording was made close to the shooting. Unless you think there were two instances of multiple shots fired on the same block, the recording is real. Everyone seems to have accepted this but you.