Michael Brown shooting II

[Monketi Ghost]

What? I'm confused then.

 

[BenBurch]

What? I'm confused then.

There was an altercation with a store clerk in which the clerk laid hands on Brown and was shoved.

The chief of police says Wilson was unaware of that incident.

The store never reported a robbery as revealed by a statement from their lawyer.

The call was from a "concerned citizen" who saw the shoving incident from outside of the store.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

There was an altercation with a store clerk in which the clerk laid hands on Brown and was shoved.

The chief of police says Wilson was unaware of that incident.

The store never reported a robbery as revealed by a statement from their lawyer.

The call was from a "concerned citizen" who saw the shoving incident from outside of the store.

But we still have the video of Brown doing the robbery/assault. Admitted to being Brown by the Brown lawyer.
You must mean that Wilson didn't know that had happened. I'm catching up, I think. So you mean that "We don't know if Wilson heard a radio report about the robbery."

Have I got this right, now? What you meant when you said "apply to Brown"?

My question is, at what point did the officer tell Brown to stop measuring the street? I'm horribly confused.

 

[Brainster]

There was an altercation with a store clerk in which the clerk laid hands on Brown and was shoved.

LOL! In another couple of pages you'll be telling us the store clerk assaulted Brown.

 

[BenBurch]

But we still have the video of Brown doing the robbery/assault. Admitted to being Brown by the Brown lawyer.
You must mean that Wilson didn't know that had happened. I'm catching up, I think. So you mean that "We don't know if Wilson heard a radio report about the robbery."

Have I got this right, now? What you meant when you said "apply to Brown"?

My question is, at what point did the officer tell Brown to stop measuring the street? I'm horribly confused.

No, I mean that we are SURE Wilson didn't have any report of the altercation at the store.

The video shows a wallet out and bills exchanged, which does not indicate a robbery to me.

The lawyer of the store says there was no report made by the store at all.

 

[BenBurch]

LOL! In another couple of pages you'll be telling us the store clerk assaulted Brown.

Yes, in fact, he did commit battery on Wilson. You cannot lay your hands on customers without leave.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

It has zero to do with any conspiracy (though you'd be stretching it to say cops don't cover for each other).

He's repeating what he heard, but it's not what he saw. Second hand accounts are by their nature going to be altered by the filters of the person the account was told to. You know, like the game of telephone.

So you have two possibilities: Wilson was ginning up the struggle or Belmar was repeating what he thought he was being told happened.

What's odd is for any witness to make up seeing a struggle through the window.

It doesn't make sense to me that Johnson would make that particular detail up. I can see him saying something like Brown never got past the open door. But who would make up that the struggle was going on through a window? Even if Mitchell and Crenshaw weren't sure and went with what Johnson said, why would Johnson add such an odd detail?

It could have started through the window, but clearly the door opened at some point and it may have continued on.

I agree, the window would be an odd tale to add if there wasn't some truth to it.

As I said before, I agree we should all be skeptical about it. We are just clearly assigning it different weights, as I don't see a misunderstanding/misinterpretation likely.

I also agree cops cover for each other. All to frequently it appears.

I'm not sure which anonymous NYT source you are talking about but yes, if the NYTs says they got a leak from one of their White House connections that would have more cred than, Wilson's friend said.

Your confirmation that wilson fired at brown and missed while brown was fleeing was simply an anonymous law enforcement officer, and only reported by the NYT.

Why the false dichotomy it must be true or a purposeful lie? In the case of the NYT reporter, Baden said the reporter misunderstood the anatomical diagram. Just like many other people did.

As for this summary, you have people in this thread swearing the autopsy showed 6 shots from the front, when that wasn't the case. You have said it's more likely. It's not unusual for someone to be saying the same thing about the state's autopsy when we may find that the autopsy also did not conclude if that one shot was from the front or the back?

Your right, it may be a misunderstanding. As I said before, I agree we should all be skeptical about it. But out of the 6 shots, there was only 1 with a gray area. I find it plausible the county autopsy may have found all shots were from teh front.

When we see the results, we'll know. Until then, I'm assigning it as plausible and going with it.

But all this is a continued red herring because the conclusion Wilson shot at Brown who was not posing a threat doesn't depend on that shot being from the back. And despite Josie's third hand account, the initial police reports had Wilson firing at Brown as he fled.

Obviously Brown turned around. If he wasn't being shot at there was no reason not to keep on running. If he truly thought Brown wouldn't shoot, why not keep on running?

How does it make any sense Brown would stop and turn around unless he was afraid of being shot?

No, it doesn't depend on being shot at from the back.

Some theories in conjuction with 10 shots on the audio do require being hit from the back though. That's probably my larger point of contention with the hit in the back.

 

[BenBurch]

I once sent somebody to jail for battery for simply banging on the door of the booth I worked in at the drive-in theater.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

No, I mean that we are SURE Wilson didn't have any report of the altercation at the store.

The video shows a wallet out and bills exchanged, which does not indicate a robbery to me.

The lawyer of the store says there was no report made by the store at all.

Okay then. And they were measuring the street when Wilson pulled up and told them to get out of the street (in whatever manner he told them)?

 

[Fudbucker]

LOL! In another couple of pages you'll be telling us the store clerk assaulted Brown.

There was an INCURSION by Brown into the store clerk's space

 

[Fudbucker]

No, I mean that we are SURE Wilson didn't have any report of the altercation at the store.

The video shows a wallet out and bills exchanged, which does not indicate a robbery to me.

The lawyer of the store says there was no report made by the store at all.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

No, I mean that we are SURE Wilson didn't have any report of the altercation at the store.

The video shows a wallet out and bills exchanged, which does not indicate a robbery to me.
The lawyer of the store says there was no report made by the store at all.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...orian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day.

That word comes from the attorney for Dorian Johnson, speaking to MSNBC.

One's internal justifications generally work like that.

I see. Tell me more ....

 

[BenBurch]

Okay then. And they were measuring the street when Wilson pulled up and told them to get out of the street (in whatever manner he told them)?

Well, we know they were walking down the middle. This is actually very common in places where you are trying to avoid becoming a victim of crime.

 

[Fudbucker]

Okay then. And they were measuring the street when Wilson pulled up and told them to get out of the street (in whatever manner he told them)?

They were doing the "middle of the road" challenge for charity.

Or trying to start a new fad, at least.

Let me throw a personal anecdote out there. I work in an inner-city(ish) school. Often there are people walking down the middle of the street (with their kids!) when there are sidewalks on either side.

Just from my own experience I (and other teachers) have noticed the people that do this are almost always black. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe it's a cultural thing, or just unique to the neighborhood I teach in.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Well, we know they were walking down the middle. This is actually very common in places where you are trying to avoid becoming a victim of crime.

Because the sidewalks are overrun with thugs who steal people's cigars?

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Well, we know they were walking down the middle. This is actually very common in places where you are trying to avoid becoming a victim of crime.

So they were interrupted in the effort. I'm not sure who measures a street after a robbery though, seems a bit casual to me.

Anyways, so the store clerk followed him out to give him his change from the sale, it's all coming together now.

 

[Fudbucker]

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...orian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day.

That word comes from the attorney for Dorian Johnson, speaking to MSNBC.

THIS ^^

We all have eyes, Ben. We've seen the video. The family admits that's Brown in the video. Who are we going to believe, you or our own lying eyes?

Now, did Wilson get a call about this? We don't know. If it turns out he did, then that, of course, adds to the justified homicide theory, as Wilson would have known he was dealing with a robbery suspect.

But that last part is total speculation, as is 90% of what we're typing here.

 

[Fudbucker]

So they were interrupted in the effort. I'm not sure who measures a street after a robbery though, seems a bit casual to me.

Anyways, so the store clerk followed him out to give him his change from the sale, it's all coming together now.

And Brown pushed him, saying, "What's wrong with you? Don't bother me with small change! Donate it to the March of Dimes! Damn!"

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It could have started through the window, but clearly the door opened at some point and it may have continued on.

I agree, the window would be an odd tale to add if there wasn't some truth to it.

As I said before, I agree we should all be skeptical about it. We are just clearly assigning it different weights, as I don't see a misunderstanding/misinterpretation likely.

It's even more odd to think first Brown and Wilson struggled inside the car and they switched and tussled through the window. And if they started through the window then moved to the inside of the car, you have to ignore all the witness accounts and it also doesn't make sense.

It does make sense like Johnson said, Wilson tried to open his door and Brown shoved the door as Wilson was getting out.

I also agree cops cover for each other. All to frequently it appears.

Your confirmation that wilson fired at brown and missed while brown was fleeing was simply an anonymous law enforcement officer, and only reported by the NYT.

Again, the report PLUS three eye witnesses.

You are equating all anonymous sources when they are not equal and not equally corroborated by other evidence.

Your right, it may be a misunderstanding. As I said before, I agree we should all be skeptical about it. But out of the 6 shots, there was only 1 with a gray area. I find it plausible the county autopsy may have found all shots were from teh front.

When we see the results, we'll know. Until then, I'm assigning it as plausible and going with it.

No, it doesn't depend on being shot at from the back.

Some theories in conjuction with 10 shots on the audio do require being hit from the back though. That's probably my larger point of contention with the hit in the back.

Well mine isn't one of those stories. I've just been correcting the claims the autopsy confirmed all the shots hit from the front.

 

[Fudbucker]

It's even more odd to think first Brown and Wilson struggled inside the car and they switched and tussled through the window. And if they started through the window then moved to the inside of the car, you have to ignore all the witness accounts and it also doesn't make sense.

It does make sense like Johnson said, Wilson tried to open his door and Brown shoved the door as Wilson was getting out.

Again, the report PLUS three eye witnesses.

You are equating all anonymous sources when they are not equal and not equally corroborated by other evidence.

Well mine isn't one of those stories. I've just been correcting the claims the autopsy confirmed all the shots hit from the front.

Remember, the NY Times also reported that ALL bullets struck Brown from the front. You can't pick the Times as unimpeachable when it comes to off-the-record police statements that no other news outlets are covering...YET also completely wrong about where the bullets struck.

If they're wrong about one, they can just as easily be wrong about the other.