Michael Avenatti thread

I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that Trump won't, even if convicted of something, do anywhere near the jail time of Avenatti. If any at all.

Ironic, as Avenatti was so recognized and praised for his attacks and condemnation of Trump.

Not really going out on a limb here, are you:

Lawyers, unlike Presidents, have to adhere to certain standards.

It is very telling that you falling into the exact same trap Republicans fell when Avenatti first hit the scene: put him on the same level as Trump.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that Trump won't, even if convicted of something, do anywhere near the jail time of Avenatti. If any at all.

Ironic, as Avenatti was so recognized and praised for his attacks and condemnation of Trump.

So according to your ethical standards, Warp, Trump would be a failure because he didn't get away with it.

Right?
 
So according to your ethical standards, Warp, Trump would be a failure because he didn't get away with it.

Right?


No. Avenatti is the clear failure here. He is looking at 14 years...on top of his 5-year sentence. Had he gotten away with his misdeeds, I wouldn't be characterizing him as a failure.
 
No. Avenatti is the clear failure here. He is looking at 14 years...on top of his 5-year sentence. Had he gotten away with his misdeeds, I wouldn't be characterizing him as a failure.

Yeah, we understand your ethic. He's a failure because he got caught.
 
Love for aggressively taking it to Trump is NOT NOT NOT the same as loving Avenatti. I would have probably hired him too. Avenatti was a successful attorney. What I didn’t know about Avenatti was that he was a con man and a thief.

We know you would have hired him, because you said so in this thread:

I don't know enough about Avenatti's political positions to vote for him.

But I would definitely hire him for a media spokesperson or an attorney in a case where a positive media strategy was beneficial.
:D
 
We know you would have hired him, because you said so in this thread:


:D

So?

I also in this thread expressed skepticism about him running for President. I loved his aggressiveness and wished that other Democratic candidates would be like that. Avenatti was good looking, articulate and was appealing.

But Avenatti never impressed me when anyone asked him policy questions. He sounded more like a Republican than a Democrat. That is if anyone could even get him to discuss policy. He dismissed policy as unimportant. That was a huge red flag for me.

I don’t deny that at first I was impressed. But I also can't deny I was impressed with Trump in the early 1990s after I read The Art of the Deal. But skin deep and first impressions obviously can and often are wrong.

This is about vetting. Avenatti was really a younger Trump. Although he didn't have the deep pockets that Trump always possessed that would allow Trump to sidestep accountability.
 
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that Trump won't, even if convicted of something, do anywhere near the jail time of Avenatti. If any at all.

Ironic, as Avenatti was so recognized and praised for his attacks and condemnation of Trump.

Not really going out on a limb here, are you:

Lawyers, unlike Presidents, have to adhere to certain standards.

It is very telling that you falling into the exact same trap Republicans fell when Avenatti first hit the scene: put him on the same level as Trump.

As Zag said, you're hardly taking a leap.

Trump should have gone to prison 30 years ago. The evidence is strong that he has been committing Bank, Insurance and Tax Fraud for at least that long. He is a perfect example of the inequality of our justice system when dealing with the wealthy.

Avoiding accountability is maybe his greatest skill. Trump is approaching Eighty. He has yet to be indicted let alone being convicted of a crime. Trump is likely to appeal any conviction and likely to die before he ever spends a day in prison.
 
Wire fraud;
- In the case of Geoffrey Johnson, Avenatti represented Johnson in a lawsuit against the County of Los Angeles that alleged, among other things, Johnson became a paraplegic as a result of the county violating his constitutional rights. The county paid a $4 million settlement in January 2015, but within months Avenatti had drained the entire settlement payment from his law firm's trust account and used portions of the settlement to finance his coffee business and pay personal expenses. Avenatti never told Johnson about the settlement agreement and terms, and he concealed from Johnson the receipt of the settlement payment from the county. Instead of giving Johnson his portion of the settlement, Avenatti gave Johnson periodic "advances" of no more than $1,900 and paid the rent for his assisted living facility to falsely reassure him that Avenatti was continuing to work on his behalf.

- Alexis Gardner obtained a $3 million settlement in a matter, which included a payment of $2.75 million in early 2017. Avenatti never provided a copy of the settlement agreement to Gardner or told her the true terms of the settlement. Upon receipt of the settlement money, Avenatti took the bulk of this money – $2.5 million – and used it to purchase his portion of a jet, while falsely telling Gardner that the settlement called for monthly payments over eight years. Avenatti gave Gardner a small "advance" for rent and made approximately 12 monthly payments, totally approximately $227,500, making them appear to come from the individual who paid the settlement, but then Avenatti stopped paying Gardner.

- Gregory Barela was to receive a $1.9 million settlement in an intellectual property dispute. Avenatti embezzled the first installment of $1.6 million in January 2018, in part by providing Barela with a bogus settlement agreement indicating that the payment was going to be made two months later. Avenatti used the money to pay expenses at his coffee business and to pay his own legal expenses.

- Michelle Phan and Long Tran hired Avenatti to negotiate a "Common Stock Repurchase Agreement" for the sale of nearly $27.5 million worth of Phan's shares of ipsy, a company founded by Phan, and then another sale of approximately $8.15 million worth of Phan's shares. When the first payment was made, Avenatti took his fees for the overall $35 million sale and sent the balance to Phan. But when the second stock sale was finalized and the company sent nearly $8.15 million, all of which belonged to Phan, Avenatti kept $4 million for himself and used this money to pay some of his law firm's bankruptcy creditors, including the IRS; to provide funding for his various businesses; and to make lulling payments to Johnson, Gardner and Barela. When Phan and Tran demanded Phan's money, Avenatti falsely told them that the stolen $4 million already had been wired to them and provided them with a wire transfer confirmation document which actually documented the transfer of an earlier $4 million payment.
Tax fraud;
- Avenatti corruptly obstructed and impeded the IRS's efforts to collect more than $3.2 million in unpaid payroll taxes, which includes money that he withheld from the paychecks of employees of Global Baristas US LLC, the Avenatti-owned company that operated Tully's Coffee, and should have paid to the IRS but never did.

- failed to file individual tax returns or pay any personal income taxes for 2011 through 2017, even though he had a substantial income and lived lavishly.

- failed to file partnership returns or pay taxes – including payroll taxes – for his now-defunct Newport Beach-based law firm Eagan Avenatti LLP, of which he was the managing partner, for 2013 through 2017, even though the law firm received many millions of dollars during those years.

- failed to file corporate tax returns or pay taxes for Avenatti & Associates, of which he was president, for 2011 through 2017, even though this entity also received substantial funds.
But whatabout Trump?
 
I gather the first few years of Avenatti's sentence must be served in a 'supermax 4' (maximum security) facility **. At least he won't have to worry about haemorrhoids.

** ETA >> I might be wrong about that. I hope not.
 
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The difference between the way Dems treated Avenatti, and Republicans treat Trump after their respective crimes have been made public couldn't be more obvious and revealing.
 
Wire fraud;
Tax fraud;
List of Avenatti's crimes trimmed for space...

But whatabout Trump?
Yes, what about Trump?

It has been obvious that Trump has engaged in his own set of crimes. The recent tax fraud conviction against the Trump organization, the fraud involved in the Trump foundation and Trump University.

The difference is that the Democrats have distanced themselves from Avenatti. (And anyone who might have made the mistake of "praising" him before certainly isn't standing behind him now.) His crimes have made him persona non grata.

On the other hand... Republicans are still willing to stick by Trump. They may occasionally make statements about how he "can't be elected", but most won't speak out against him, and even people who have criticized him (like Moscow Mitch) will still usually say "I would still vote for him".
 
The difference between the way Dems treated Avenatti, and Republicans treat Trump after their respective crimes have been made public couldn't be more obvious and revealing.
The difference is that the Democrats have distanced themselves from Avenatti. (And anyone who might have made the mistake of "praising" him before certainly isn't standing behind him now.) His crimes have made him persona non grata.
On the other hand... Republicans are still willing to stick by Trump.


Yeah. It would be hard to name an instance where a Dem's suspected crimes had been made public, and the party stuck behind them. Imagine if a Dem were to lose their law license or something, or perjure themselves, or engage in shady business deals, or violate a code of ethics. They would drop that guy like a hot potato. :rolleyes:

The only reason Dems aren't still swooning over Avenatti is that he is not valuable to them. If he had been President they would be willing to die on any hill to support him, no doubt. I mean, history proves it. But my favorite part is that they deny that their love affair with him ever took place. How fitting.
 
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As an aside (I have not yet seen this in the thread, but maybe I missed it,) Avenatti is featured prominently in the Netflix documentary Pespi, Where's my Jet?

It follows a late 1990's legal case over a Pepsi promotional ad that did (or didn't) promise a Harrier jet to anyone who could get enough Pepsi points.

Avenatti was on that case even before he had a law license.It got quite a bit of press attention but not enough to really propel Avenatti to fame - yet.

Sometimes it is interesting to see how people circle around fame before finally landing it (it reminded me a bit of Steve Bannon's stint at Biosphere 2 in the early 1990's.
 
Yeah. It would be hard to name an instance where a Dem's suspected crimes had been made public, and the party stuck behind them. Imagine if a Dem were to lose their law license or something, or perjure themselves, or engage in shady business deals, or violate a code of ethics. They would drop that guy like a hot potato. :rolleyes:

The only reason Dems aren't still swooning over Avenatti is that he is not valuable to them. If he had been President they would be willing to die on any hill to support him, no doubt. I mean, history proves it. But my favorite part is that they deny that their love affair with him ever took place. How fitting.

Bull Crap!!

I can name a half a dozen Democratic politicians who were abandoned very quickly when scandal stained them. Trump continues to lie grift and steal. Trump should have been convicted by the Senate over the Ukraine impeachment. Trump should have been convicted over the Insurrection impeachment. Trump committed tax fraud, insurance fraud and bank fraud. Trump ran a phony school to line his pockets. Trump rigged the inaugural to bank millions. He ordered IRS audits of his enemies. He paid off porn stars.The list goes on and on and on.

  • Trump is a racist.
  • Trump is a non-stop liar.
  • Trump is a con man
  • Trump is a thief.
  • Trump used the office to enrich himself.
  • Trump disobeyed hundreds of laws.
  • He was a wannabe dictator.

And most important Trump is a LOSER. He was only elected because of the electoral college. He lost the vote by 3 million votes in 2016. He lost the vote by 7 million votes in 2020. The candidates he supported for Federal offce won pretty much only in red districts. And Trump candidates often put those elections into play.

But NOOO. Republican politicians demonstrated not only how devoid of integrity they are, but how gutless.
 
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