Michael Avenatti thread

The Big Dog said:
I love all the leftists lining up today to say how much they don't care about Avenatti.
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Lets see...

May 29, 2018:
If his moral character and his abilities are to be in question, then let us be relieved he is not the president of the United States - PortlandAthiest
http://http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12308295&postcount=6

May 30, 2018:
He seems to be an effective lawyer and there are reasons to think that he's not above bending the rules. - TellyKNeasuss
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12309772&postcount=14

June 18, 2018:
(Is he a good advocate and is he corrupt?) It seems not unlikely that the answer is yes to both. - Pondering Turtle
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12331295&postcount=37

July 3, 1018:
He is an attention whore who got the reputable new media talking about golden showers and the sitting president in the same sentence. Paul Revere was an idiot and Jefferson owned slaves. For all his faults, Avenatti damaged Trump and that's never a bad thing. You don't have to be perfect to be a patriot. - Craig4
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12348020&postcount=61

And that's just in the first 2 pages of this thread.

So, its seems like those on "the left" (or at least those that opposed Trump, which could be people on the right who aren't racist) have recognized for a long time (months) that Avanatti is a person who is problematic in many ways, but we recognize him as valuable not because we like him as a person but because he causes stress to Stubby McBonespurs.

Its not just 'today'.
 
Segnosaur said:
Lets see...

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Its not just 'today'.
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And I think I once took the position that Avenatti was a better lawyer than Cohen, but come on, no one could have really thought that was a compliment, right?

BTW, how many times has Nugent been seen at prominent GOP functions after he threatened to kill the POTUS?
 
Dr. Keith said:
And I think I once took the position that Avenatti was a better lawyer than Cohen, but come on, no one could have really thought that was a compliment, right?

BTW, how many times has Nugent been seen at prominent GOP functions after he threatened to kill the POTUS?
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We have reached the part in the thread where whatabout Ted Nugent is being employed to defend ******* Mike Avenatti.
 
The Big Dog said:
We have reached the part in the thread where whatabout Ted Nugent is being employed to defend ******* Mike Avenatti.
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The leftists don’t care or are lining up to defend ******* Mike Avenatti? Which is it?

To help you with some perspective, non-Trump supporters do not blindly follow amoral leaders and defend their wrongdoings to absurd levels.
 
Iamafalser said:
The situation IS different:

We know the when and where it allegedly happened.
It happened Tuesday, not 25 years ago.
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And look at how long ago all those lies about the catholic priests happened in pensilvania. Only 3 of the 1000 "child victims" were under the age of 50. Clearly it was a politically motivated attack on the church.
 
Mumbles said:
Was about to note this as well - the tweet is right here. So, although it's being reported as "Avenatti claims Jacob Wohl is behind arrest", it's really "Jacob Wohl claims he is behind arrest".

Now, this isn't proof that the charge is false, and it doesn't mean I see a reason to care politically - Dolt 45 plainly used campaign funds to pay off mistresses regardless, and anyone who voted this guy for president (is that foolishness still being bandied about) has something wrong with them - but I'm skeptical.
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I will cite the Hastert rule, that is only a crime when it is used to cover up child rape.
 
Sideroxylon said:
The leftists don’t care or are lining up to defend ******* Mike Avenatti? Which is it?

To help you with some perspective, non-Trump supporters do not blindly follow amoral leaders and defend their wrongdoings to absurd levels.
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Analogies are difficult.

Ted Nugent:GOP::Avenatti:Liberals

One could view that as a statement on how little Dems care about Avenatti, or one could see it as whataboutism. One could also claim that all the dems are defending Avenatti when they point out that he is nothing but entertainment and of no consequence.

I smile every time I see Stormy and Avenatti on the news because I know that every historical reference to Trump will have a footnote with their photos. Trivia games will have questions like: The president best known for paying off a porn star and her despicably thirsty attorney?
 
Dr. Keith said:
Analogies are difficult.
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Especially grossly fallacious ones like you are using to avoid the subject.

What I have seen is that fallacies, and especially whataboutism/tu quoque/ad hominems are so easy for the left that they can't actually make real arguments.

For example, it is like leftists are so used to the thin watery gruel that is whataboutism that they are unable even to handle the thick juicy steak that is meat of my argument.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is a proper analogy.
 
"Don't tell me what cases you've won, tell me who you've beaten."
"If you can't take a punch, you don't belong in the ring."
- actual inspirational quotes from Micheal Avenatti, Esq.
 
Iamafalser said:
The situation IS different:

We know the when and where it allegedly happened.
It happened Tuesday, not 25 years ago.
It was reported to the police and the LAPD found probable cause to arrest the suspect for felony domestic violence.

I'd say that's just a tad more credible than Ford's allegation, wouldn't you?
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This is about ALL we know about the alleged abuse by Avenatti. And no, I wouldn't say it's "just a tad more credible than Ford's allegation" since we know absolutely nothing about the details of the allegation. We don't even know who made the allegation or what her credibility is unlike the Kavanaugh case. We also know that both of Avenatti's ex-wives say he was never violent against them. No one else has come forward to make that claim or to even claim they know of him ever being violent. One huge difference is that Kavanaugh fought any investigation whereas Avenatti is calling for a complete investigation.

The police have no choice in arresting someone when an allegation of DV is levied and the victim shows any kind of injury...even so much as a scratch.

I'll wait to make a judgment on this until the investigation is complete.
 
Someone from the other tribe apparently got caught out doing something reprehensible cue schadenfreud and outrage. Meanwhile ignore or defend the indefensible of Trump and his not so merry band of sycophants.
 
Someone from the other tribe apparently got caught out doing something reprehensible cue schadenfreud and outrage. Meanwhile ignore or defend the indefensible of Avenatti and his not so merry band of sycophants.
 
wjo is supporting Avenatti in this thread? People are saying that they are withholding judgement until the investigation has concluded.
 
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