Mexican Airforce films UFOs

feyd rautha said:
do you agree that the objects are moving and not on the ground???
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I no longer think they are on the ground for the reason I gave earlier in this thread. (camera elevation)I'm unsure if they are moving for the reason I gave about two replies back. (camera azimuth)
 
Mexican UFOs

Im new here so Hello all.

I came to the boards when I heard about these UFO's thought if anyone would be trying to solve it, it would be here:)

I read with interest all the ideas, I dont know enough about radar etc to be of any help.

(Other than being a former believer in such things), so at least I know what its not.

And I myself cant say what it is or are.

Which leaves me with perhaps why? I wonder if that area just needs a little boost in the ole Tourism area. Call me crazy but one never knows the other half of it. Eco Tourism is big business.

As for the pilots I wonder what their beliefs are towards ufos? I would not say they were the cause of a hoax. But certainly not the first to be victims of one.

just a little conspiracy theorist at heart :D
 
Hello Kitty Chan. :)

From Patricio Elicer's translation earlier in the thread of some of the aircrew's chatter, I suspect the aircrew were genuine in their puzzlement and some also kind of like the idea of UFOs... ;)

[excited tone]

- What is that?, oh my God

- Juárez, Juárez,... What is that?

- It's a dot

- Look for what is coming behind us!

- One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight .. on the screen

- Amazing!

- Their speed is,.... ohhhh!
 
mummymonkey said:
I no longer think they are on the ground for the reason I gave earlier in this thread. (camera elevation)
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The camera elevation of a couple of degrees above horizontal is not a problem if the plane is flying slightly tilted.
 
wipeout said:


The camera elevation of a couple of degrees above horizontal is not a problem if the plane is flying slightly tilted.
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I have to wonder about this.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most airplane-mounted cameras set to get a true elevation (relative to horizon) rather than a relative elevation (relative to the plane)? It seems that the elevation relative to the plane would be useless for just about anything, and considering that all modern aircraft come with horizon sensors and other things to determine the actual orientation, it wouldn't be hard to have the cameras and other sensors report a true elevation. Now, I'm not a pilot nor do I have experience with aircraft (other than riding in the back of one praying not to be hit by SAMs), so I'm curious if anyone knows the answer to my query.
 
wipeout said:
The camera elevation of a couple of degrees above horizontal is not a problem if the plane is flying slightly tilted.
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You're assuming the elevation is wrt to the aircraft axis and not the horizon. Assuming you are right, the aircraft would have to have an angle of bank inversely proportional to the distance from the objects. Fancy doing some trig? Even small bank angles will cause loss of height and deviation from course.
 
You may well be right, Huntsman.

I had wondered initially if the elevation means the planes angle relative to the horizon in front of it and not the camera's.

I'm wondering about something different as well, namely if the horizon would be visible in an infrared camera or if the ground to sky is just one seamless "blank" as it seems to be in the video.

The camera is pointing horizontally and yet there is no visible horizon, so it certainly seems that way.

The most important thing about the footage is that the plane's position and camera direction are accurate as, if so, that means the camera definitely is pointing in the direction of oil facilities. Knowing the lay-out of hot-spots in the facilities in question and if they match the arrangement of the infrared sources is something that should confirm it.
 
Huntsman said:

I have to wonder about this.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most airplane-mounted cameras set to get a true elevation (relative to horizon) rather than a relative elevation (relative to the plane)? It seems that the elevation relative to the plane would be useless for just about anything, and considering that all modern aircraft come with horizon sensors and other things to determine the actual orientation, it wouldn't be hard to have the cameras and other sensors report a true elevation. Now, I'm not a pilot nor do I have experience with aircraft (other than riding in the back of one praying not to be hit by SAMs), so I'm curious if anyone knows the answer to my query.
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It would be odd if it did not have an input from the aircrafts flight instruments so that it could sense the horizon, I agree.
 
Heres another thing

Hi again

There has been mention of this James Mussan guy. I was surfing around and found this link

http://www.alcione.org/0VNI94/OVNI94_engx.html

I dont know if I did that right but theres always copy and paste!

Anyway, as you all seem to know hes suspect from before, I think Im on track with the Tourism thing:)

At least there is the whole other half of whats driving this, drug cover up perhaps? Politics in the air? $$.

I find it convenient that the US has a Area 51, Russia has a Area 51 as does apparentely Mexico. The ufoers are exicited about a Government Finally coming forward.

I find it funny that they have been mad at the Government and not trust it for not coming forward. Now, its come forward they suddenly trust it???? My Momma taught me never trust the government.

My little theory goes like this What better way for the government to "hide" what its up to? Better to have the alien bunch sneaking around than have to explain what they are up to.

If you think thats nuts think about the poor guys told to stand there put on these sunglasses and tell us what that bomb looked like. Then again, maybe we dont want to really know.:(
 
Re: hi newbie speaking

feyd rautha said:
@thomas u look more like slackeractor johnny depp or did you borrow his photo?:p
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I bet you're a hideous little doofus :)

Anyway, I have managed to get conclusive new evidence in this case! The phenomena is now 99% revealed, and have encountered no objections from the involved scientists. Julio Herrera admit that he was wrong about the gas theory, and that the facilities producing gas in the area most likely never release any gas anyway.

In an astounding effort from the scientists behind the FLIR technology, and me, it is now possible to convert the infra red images to normal pictures! This shows that Michael Shermer wasn't all that wrong about the mirror effect, and that this indeed was a diversion from a major drug smuggling scam!
The scam includes a malicious conspiracy made by the Mexican goverment and a very well known man from the media and several supermarkets.

The picture here shows the FLIR image, and the image converted with our new Biased Skepticism X-89^2 technology, below:

revealed_santa.jpg


As you all can see, Santa Claus is sitting in a hot air ballon stacked with a huge amounts of illegal drugs. A flying mirror is following him and this indeed proves Michael Shermen's theory of the mirror effect.
Santa was caught by the customs officers of Greenland while trying to fly in 1.3 tons of uncut cocaine and five ki's of marijuana.
He admit that is was him the SEDENA pilots saw with their FLIR camera, and explains that he was invisible because the Mexican goverment had granted him a ring of invisibility. However, our new astounding technology is immune to magic.
Santa said to Reuters Bureau that: "I was just trying to smuggle the cocaine to Greenland so the elfs would work faster, and make more presents for the suffering children of this world." - when asked about the marijuana he simply replied: "Dude, no further comments!".

This next revealed picture shows how the Mexican goverment tried to make a diversion from Santa's smuggling attempt:

revealed_tortilla.jpg


The Mexican conspirators used an old conjurer trick involving magnetism, to send up four levitating steaming hot tortillas near Santa's ballon. These tortillas were of course closely followed by four flying mirrors, and yet again Shermen's theory of the mirror effect proves its worth. That the two formations on the FLIR image isn't entirely accurate, is due to a rather embarrassing flaw from the Mexican goverment. They simply didn't adjust one of the mirrors correctly.

The tortillas were invisible because each of them were filled with invisibility rings like the one Santa had.

This furthermore explains why the pilots thought to be followed the objects, because we all know that magnetic tortillas gets attracted by FLIR equipment and mexicans.
We have failed to identify the last object which obviosly was without an accompanying mirror, but we belive it to be a pegasus or a chinese dragon. This is the only thing that doesn't makes this revelation 100% conclusive.

I rest my case.
 
I've been doing some better map calculations of the position of the plane and direction of the infrared camera. It turns out the camera is pointing much more to the right of Ciudad del Carmen than I thought it was before from my earlier, rougher looks at this.

This doesn't change very much about the oil-flare theory, other than the possible locations of the chimneys. If they are on the coastline, then they are 90 km away but they may well be much closer.
 
Joe_Black said:
Perhaps its ET in origin.
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Perhaps it is, but before I accept an explanation involving ETs I'd like to know what other possibilities were investigated and why they were discounted.
 
The infrared footage screws with people's perceptions in that the horizon is invisible to the camera. It's too far away to be picked up.

It misleads people into interpreting the background of the footage as blank sky or blank ground or sea, but it's not.

The horizon actually runs right across the middle of the footage!

It's right there but we can't see it.

Any time the camera is pointing at the group of "objects" the horizon is there too but we can't see it, with the sky, the ground, the sea and the horizon just a blank space as a result of the ambient infrared being beneath the intensity the camera can pick-up, while what I believe are distant oil-chimney flares giving the heat sources that are the "UFOs" burn bright enough to be seen at that range.
 
Question: Does anybody know what the plane's course was at the moment the UFOs were filmed?

We know from the crew members accounts that the objects were at the left hand side of the plane, and we also know that the time of the sightings was around 5 pm.

Judging by the said info, and by the light-shadow pattern in the clouds, the plane's course must have been somewhat North-East. Is that correct? Can anybody tell from the IR screen data, or from some other source?
 
Yeah, I worked out the direction of the plane, it was one of the first things I did.

It's flying very nearly due east, but slightly to the left of that.

Have a look at the four pictures here:

http://www.rense.com/general52/deff.htm

Here's the two positions for the two lower pictures:

18 28.16 N, 90 35.84 W at the time 17:06:49
18 28.29 N, 90 34.98 W at the time 17:07:05

So the plane goes 00 00.13 degrees northwards and 00 00.86 degrees eastwards in 16 seconds.

We can also work out from the camera azimuth of -139.1 and -139.2 degrees that the camera is pointing backwards and to the left, to the northwest.

That's one of the unique things about this footage, is that we know when and where and in which direction. :D
 
OK, good insight. Thanks.

So all the info we have to date seems to be consistent with a real UFO sighting, though we still can't tell whether it was alien ship piloted by small green beings or not :D.

I'd love to see the entire, unedited tape of the event. To my knowledge there's no more than 10 minutes of taped material, that may be crucial to unveil the mystery.
 
Questions:
  • Has there been any confirmation of the "objects" from ground-based radar or other equipment, or is all this data solely from the C26A's onboard systems?
  • What were the weather/atmospheric conditions in the region at that time?
  • Was any seismic activity recorded in the region at that time?
 
We have a heat-sensitive camera pointing at a place on the distant horizon covered with flaming oil-industry chimneys... and the heat sensitive camera picks up lots of red-hot dots in this exact place. I'm not seeing a whole lot of mystery here! :D

Unless the aliens are running the Mexican oil industry, then I think we can rule extraterrestrials out entirely. ;)
 
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