Mexican Airforce films UFOs

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OK Im sure you are just having fun but why not?

Are not horses on the sensitive side? If you have been around them they are very much like dogs. Im sure they would have sensed the little feller.



Imagine the headlines if those cops would have had police dogs!
 
Maybe it's an average-sized person but those are giant policemen on giant horses. :p
 
I've send an email to Maussan, now we'll just have to wait.
I have also received more data from the MUFON researcher which is quite interesting. I have made some calculations based on the new info, these are now being verified/falsified. If my calculations proves to be correct, I will of course post my findings in here as soon as I'm 99.9% sure that they are positive.

One more thing, I made a mistake when I said the video was more than 5 hours in duration, it seems that Maussan have recieved an edited version himself and/or the recordings only took place sporadically. Apparently, the version Maussan recieved is only about 30 minutes in duration.

Patricio,

The email to Herrera is finished, I see you dont want to receive emails through this forum, so if you would please give me your address in PM, I will send you the letter to be translated.
 
You guys might want to check out this translation of the aircrew here.

I'm going to give it a good read later.
 
The MUFON researcher sent me this map showing the approximate route of the airplane:


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I made a few modifications as you can see here:


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Furthermore, I made a Flash movie so one can see the aircrew conversation transcripts related to the screenshots:

Here (343 kb - be patient please - high resolution recommended for text quality)

If you dont have Flash plug-in, and dont want it either for some reason, it's not a great loss, you'll just have to do without the dynamic transcripts then.

As you can see, this analysis falsifies several status quo theories. As usual I would like to hear any objections or additions.

I would be as bold as to say it leaves us with four possible explanations:


1) The phenomenon is a hoax

2) The phenomenon is contact with an unknown lifeform.

3) The phenomenon is produced by advanced classified stealth technology.

4) The phenomenon is a rare meteorological/astronomical phenomena.


At this point, I'm personally in favor of nr. 4, and curious about nr. 3. However, I would never be able to prove nr. 1, 2 or 3, so I'll stick with nr. 4 for now.
 
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3) The phenomenon is produced by advanced classified stealth technology.
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You know I ran across a site that was talking about that, something from the states. I passed it, was going to go back aaaah now I cant remember.

It may of been one of those sites where the military guys post. If I can think of it I will let you know. Sometimes I get too much on the go. :o
 
Kitty Chan said:
If I can think of it I will let you know.
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Ok, thanks.

I will of course like to see what people have to say, but I would only consider it conclusive if a given nation came forth and officially stated that they had runned a series of test flights with extremely advanced technology, of which they could provide evidence, in that particular area at that particular time.
 
Thomas said:
The phenomenon is produced by advanced classified stealth technology.
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Doesn't appear to be very advanced though does it? It can be seen by an ordinary search radar and would appear to be very hot. Current stealthy aircraft are able to avoid more advanced radars and stay reasonably cool.
 
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Doesn't appear to be very advanced though does it? It can be seen by an ordinary search radar and would appear to be very hot. Current stealthy aircraft are able to avoid more advanced radars and stay reasonably cool.
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True, but "invisible to the naked eye" sounds pretty advanced to me. But as I said, I'm in favor of nr. 4.

I really haven't thought that much about nr. 3, to be quite frank. I'm curious about it, but with the given data, I must say that it's an explanation which is far from my knowledge of technology, and it also fails to fit with my common sense. On the other hand, how would I know how far experimental military technology has reached during the last decade? That was a rethorical question.
 
Your flash movie was excellent Thomas; it also appears to confirm that the displayed azimuth is wrt the aircraft heading.
 
mummymonkey said:
Your flash movie was excellent Thomas; it also appears to confirm that the displayed azimuth is wrt the aircraft heading.
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Thanks. I have much more evidence concerning that the azimuth is relative to the airplanes heading in the report from the MUFON researcher if we should run into any doubt in this concern.
 
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Why can the IR camera only see that far?
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It's not a matter of how far it can see, it's a matter of how far away it can detect heat indications. It is estimated to be able to detect a hot object the size of an oiltanker at a distance of 50 kilometers by FLIR Systems Inc., the manufacturer of the camera (StarSAFIRE II). So I even exaggerated in that analysis and set a maximum at FOV NRWx2 of approximately 70 kilometers.

Furthermore, FLIR Systems estimate that common oilflares are detectable at a range of 20 kilometers.
 
Thomas said:

It's not a matter of how far it can see, it's a matter of how far away it can detect heat indications. It is estimated to be able to detect a hot object the size of an oiltanker at 50 kilometers by the manufacturer: FLIR Systems Inc.. So I even exaggerated in that analysis and set a maximum at FOV NRWx2 of approximately 70 kilometers.

Furthermore, FLIR Systems estimate that common oilflares are detectable at a range of 20 kilometers.
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Cool thanks.

I was wondering is there a definate link bwetween the odd radar images they got, and the IR images? Or did the crew just assume that the radar and IR were related?
 
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I was wondering is there a definate link bwetween the odd radar images they got, and the IR images?
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Not that I know of, but I must admit that I haven't tried to find a relation either at this point. The new data we have recently recieved may be able to clear that up. It's a justified question.

Or did the crew just assume that the radar and IR were related?
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The IR camera can optionally be connected with the radar, and then if the radar picks up an object, it can point the camera to the coordinates of that object. That's an available function of the StarSAFIRE II. If the SEDENA aircrew used that function in this case is not something that I have seen, or noticed, any conclusive evidence of, but as I said, we have recieved a lot of new data the last couple of days that might be able to clear that up.
 
Now I've read the transcript , I know what the first object seen is... ;)

First Incident -- 16:45 to 17:00

The Mexican airforce plane flies towards a runway. A target is seen in front of the aircraft by the aircrew on both infrared and radar at 2.9 miles distant and is travelling at 75 knots.

3 minutes -- The object has a speed of 206 knots and a heading of 301 degrees. It is flying towards the city of Ciudad del Carmen. The aircrew then lose the object in clouds.

7 minutes -- The object is now behind the aircraft and is now 10.5 miles away, it has a speed 334 knots and a heading of 281. It is still heading towards Ciudad del Carmen. The aircrew aren't sure but think it has the same altitude as them.

10 minutes -- The object is now 1 or 2 miles away from Ciudad del Carmen and 37 miles from the aircraft.

12 minutes -- The object turns right and disappears off the radar.


Conclusion

The first UFO goes from near a runway, speeds up, flies in a straight line for a while and disappears off the radar at a city with an airport.

And what is this mysterious UFO that can perform such feats?

IT'S SOOOOOO OBVIOUSLY A F**KING LIGHT AIRPLANE!!! :mad:

That the aircrew or anyone even include this first object as part of the "UFO" sighting is unbelieveable. :rolleyes:

The first object seen by the Mexican aircrew was simply a small airplane which took off from a runway, flew towards the city of Ciudad del Carmen, turned and landed at the airport.

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHH!!! :a2:

*Ahem*

I feel better now... :D

Now I know what Mr. Randi feels like. :p

I'll get back to the other objects later. ;)

Something I'd point out about the FLIR guy who estimated an oil-flare would be visible only to 12.5 miles (20 km) might like to notice that this light aircraft... sorry... "alien saucer"... yeah... is visible to the aircrew on FLIR at 16:55 and at what must be 25 miles from the radar readings and they think nothing of it!

If a small plane's engine gives out heat visible to 25 miles, how far away could you see a 20 foot wall of flame that is an oil-flare?

Only 12.5 miles? 1/2 distance or less of a light aircraft engine?

Why do I doubt this... ;)

Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that UFO number one is a light aircraft. :D

Did I say that already? :p
 
wipeout

hmmm:)

seems like a idea I saw one saying it was headlights from a car on a mountain, but thats unlikely.

try these guys for airport locations

http://www.bajabushpilots.com/index.php

Or since they are bush pilots "they dont need no stinking runway" mild humour there. So maybe where a plane could be.

Wouldnt it be the most embarassing if it was a plane of the kind they may have been looking for . . . .
 
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