Mexican Airforce films UFOs

wipeout said:
I went looking for infrared images of ships. I found all sorts of images, including apparently inverted ones in which a ship appears lit up like a Xmas tree.

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Infrared basically come in these forms:

  • White/hot (original).
  • Black/hot.
  • Ironbow.
  • 256.
  • Red pallete.
  • Green pallete.

My first notion was that the above picture was a black/hot IR image, it is designed to be able to see in the dark via IR. But it isn't, that picture is not a black/hot or white/hot infrared image.

Another thing, those pictures you saw, that you say apparently were inverted, is not the inverted ones. They are the original ones, white/hot infrared, like this:

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The Mexican UFO's are filmed in white/hot mode.
 
Thomas said:
Another thing, those pictures you saw, that you say apparently were inverted, is not the inverted ones. They are the original ones, white/hot infrared...
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Here's a selection of the images I found earlier.

Here's black/hot FLIR images of large ships, one with a hot chimney and not unlike an oil-tanker...

http://www.cs.nps.navy.mil/people/faculty/rowe/alvesthesis_files/image066.png

I suspect the hot bits in the containers and the side are due to the sun.

A military ship doesn't have the same patterns, only the chimneys are really hot...

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http://www.cs.nps.navy.mil/people/faculty/rowe/hermanthesis.htm

Actually, this picture below is the "lit up light a Xmas tree" one I mention...

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http://cis.jhu.edu/data.sets/nawc_flir/db_nawc_ship.html

But here's a FLIR of the Nimitz aircraft carrier looking really like a Xmas tree... :D

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http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/aircraft/a6e/a6e.htm

What I have against the oil-flare theory myself is the sheer staggering infrared brightness of the "headlights" photo. Makes me wonder if the plane was tilted more than we might think and that if the infrared sources are on the ground, then the might be much closer than 50 km...

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http://www.rense.com/general52/vidd.htm

By the way, some negative (and thus in a way "black/hot") images there of the UFO footage:

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wipeout said:
It's certainly more interesting than the Belgian triangle footage, which were just US Navy spy satellites you can spot if you make the effort. NOSS, they're called.
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I would like to know more about this.

In Belgium (I'm belgian), the skeptics usually thinks that the Belgian triangle footage (the Petit-Rechain's picture) is a hoax.

Wim Van Utrecht, one of the leading skeptics about the Belgian UFO Wave, even try to do the same picture in order to prouve that it was a fake... His picture, made with a simple device, his almost the same as the original Petit-Rechain's picture...

So, I was suprise when I red your post!!!

What is it this NOSS, and what make you think that the Belgian triangle footage is one of them?

See you,
 
NOSS satellites are a triad of satellites that fly in formation. Here's a space.com article that touches on them. A google search also will provide info on these satellites that I had the pleasure of seeing a few years back. I think another explanation for the Belgian triangle reports bears mentioning, one that I tend to believe accounts of more than a few sightings of triangular UFOs .. secret U.S. aircraft. Here's another link from space.com regarding that possibility.
 
Well, there are US spying satellites nicknamed "NOSS" which form a triangle of lights and move across the sky. They aren't very bright usually.

There's an article here about them being spotted and people wondering what they are.

I think some people have genuinely seen the NOSS triangle of lights and called it a UFO, and then this has inspired others to create fake pictures with triangular craft roughly like the NOSS satellites.

This video could be a genuine NOSS sighting, although it seems too bright now that I know more about the satellites, so I could be wrong that this Belgian footage was NOSS. It could also be an airplane, of course.

This picture you mention does look very fake, I'd agree. ;)

So those might be mistaken aircraft or fake, but there are genuine NOSS triangles of lights floating around and I think that started off the whole idea of black triangular UFOs, maybe helped along by the appearence in the news of the Stealth aircraft like the F-117 in the early 1990s. :)
 
Actually, I just found out from Patricio's link that the film is just an aircraft! :D

The images, shown on television in many countries, depict the well-known configuration of three white lights and a central red flashing light. But the truth is that heis recording did not remain a mystery for long. SOBEPS, after first endorsing the document, made follow-up inquiries which revealed that the films showed an ordinary airliner preparing to land at Zaventem airfield. I later learned that the witness also claimed to have encountered UFOs and 'space beings' on many other occasions, both before and after he took his video. (Stacey and Evans 171)

Well, that's that solved....
 
Hi,

About the NOSS: it's very interresting, but do we know when this program started? The NOSS satellites were already in the sky in 1989-1994???

For the film, yes, the SOBEPS agree that it's an airplane. But for the Petit-Rechain's Picture, the SOBEPS says even now (on television a few months ago) that it's a genuine UFO.

Here you have the fake (the replication) of the Petit-Rechain Picture made by a team of astrophysicist at the Liège University...

See you,
 
Thomas said:
Patricio,

Since you're the one that speaks Spanish here, could you write SEDENA and ask them how they can be sure those object were not grounded? I can't find heads and tails in that site, and I'm too lazy to translate the entire site to english or danish :)
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OK, I finally found the time and peace of mind to write a letter to SEDENA. Sorry for the long delay.

I asked 9 questions, some of them may have been responded already by other means, but I thought it would be interesting to double-check the info gathered so far.

This is the main body of my note to them:

1) Is the azimuth info on the IR screen referenced to the geographical north, to the direction of the plane heading or to some other direction?

2) What's the meaning of the negative azimuth figures on the screen?

3) The cross that is on the IR screen shows the horizontal line on the negatives. Does it mean that the IR camera was pointing downwards, that is, in a depression angle with respect to the horizontal?

4) Do you think that the luminous objects are ground-based, and that their "motion" is just an optical illusion due to the relative motion of the clouds with respect to the plane?

5) It's a know fact that the major Mexican oil production comes from the state of Campeche. Is it possible to get a map or a satellite picture with the exact location of the oil platforms operating in the coasts of Campeche?

6) Do the oil platforms have the chimney flares permanently on?

7) Do you think that the unknown luminous objects filmed may be the flares of the oil platforms, or do you totally rule out that possibility?

8) Have you observed similar luminous phenomena in other surveillance flights in the same region?

9) Have you arrived at some conclusions of a possible explanation for the obseved phenomenon, based on your own internal investigations?


I'll keep you informed of their responsesas soon as I get them
 
JMA said:
About the NOSS: it's very interresting, but do we know when this program started? The NOSS satellites were already in the sky in 1989-1994???
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Yeah, the satellites have been around since 1976, it says here ...

Following experiments with small satellites by NRL in the 1960s, the PARCAE system was launched beginning in 1976 using Atlas F (and later Atlas H) launch vehicles with Star 20 kick motors. Each PARCAE launch comprised three satellites which flew in formation and used interferometry to locate surface vessels. The PARCAE system, developed by NRL and then built in production by Martin Marietta/Denver, was superseded by an improved generation of triplets, four sets of which were launched between 1990 and 1996.

Also, that fake photo of the triangle you link is a very good version of the "real" one. Interesting. I always assumed the "real" one was faked by someone just adding some black cardboard around a light hanging from their ceiling. :D
 
Good stuff, Patricio. :D

UnTrickaBLe said:
Are there any high-level skeptics working on this right now, I wonder?
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Michael Shermer suggested on CNN that it was "flares" (in the sense of things people in distress at sea or the military fire into the air).

I e-mailed James Randi about my different "flare" theory (in the sense of hot flames coming from chimneys and oil rigs) just over a week ago, he said it was a "good idea" and forwarded it to James Oberg who "might find this interesting...!"

I thanked Mr. Randi for his reply and he said he'd "keep me informed"... so we will see, I guess. :)
 
BREAKING NEWS!

No, no,..., I haven't got a reply from SEDENA yet.

But it's quite possible that we will have to congratulate wipeout for his insight :D

Archer17 posted a very interesting article at the BA forum, from a Capt. Alejandro Franz (never heard of him before) who has independantly (very likely) come up with the same "oil flare theory", and which he backs with good evidence and arguments.

As I guess Archer17 doesn't stop by this forum very often, I decided to post his link here:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/may/m27-011.shtml

Thanks Archer17!
 
Hi I get a cookie too then!

Or at least a cat crunchy

But back on page 5 here, I posted that I was surfing trying to find out about James Mussan and found this link

http://www.alcione.org/0VNI94/OVNI94_engx.html

same guy

Im sure when the actual answer is found if it will make it to all the papers again, including my small city paper? Just like the original headline did? right? :dl:
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS!

Patricio Elicer said:
No, no,..., I haven't got a reply from SEDENA yet.

But it's quite possible that we will have to congratulate wipeout for his insight :D

Archer17 posted a very interesting article at the BA forum, from a Capt. Alejandro Franz (never heard of him before) who has independantly (very likely) come up with the same "oil flare theory", and which he backs with good evidence and arguments.

As I guess Archer17 doesn't stop by this forum very often, I decided to post his link here:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/may/m27-011.shtml

Thanks Archer17!
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Whoa! :D

Thanks for that as well! :)

I can also see his suggestion is being attacked in the same way mine was, plus we have more information he might find interesting.

I'll try and contact him...

By the way, check this out for a whole lot of new pictures and stuff from the same guy... :D

http://www.alcione.org/FRAUDES/FAM/REFERENCE_DATA.html
 
No doubt that Capt. Franz hate Jamie Maussan - and I think it goes both ways :)

In that article he never explains the radar readings. He also fails to explain that the objects were in several diffrent directions.

Also if I remember this correctly, the FLIR operator said that especially two of these objects were very big and spherical.

Furthermore he claims that the StarSAFIRE II can detect heat at approximately 100 km (50 nm). I really don't know where he got that information, but he certainly didn't get it from FLIR Systems Inc. My notion is that he made it up.

I wonder if Franz have been lurking at this forum :) ..If so, hey Franz! :p

I look very much forward to the answers from SEDENA, they can clear up a great deal.
 
I don't think the good Captain has been reading us. I can tell from a few things he says. :)
 
Re: Re: BREAKING NEWS!

wipeout said:
I can also see his suggestion is being attacked in the same way mine was..
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Yea, and many interesting contra-arguments that I hadn't even thought about aswell:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/may/m27-019.shtml
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/may/m27-021.shtml
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/may/m27-015.shtml (hehe)

Very incompetent aircrew, dysfunctional radar, psychic FLIR equipment etc. etc., we know the story already.
 
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