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[Merged] Immortality & Bayesian Statistics

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No, that doesn't help. We may already be on the same page about that point. It's the "fully defined prior to its actual existence" part that doesn't make any sense to me. I can't tell if I agree or disagree on that point, because I'm really not sure what you mean by that.

And the illusion part is the appearance of continuity. A sense of self is an event that occurs, and its a unique event each time, even in the same brain.


It's defined indirectly by the old brain, which is the template it was copied from. It's defined directly by the new brain, which it's a part of. And I'm still not sure what you mean by "defined". That doesn't seem like the right word to use, especially the way you've been using it.

Bottom line though, you still haven't addressed my points about physical location, finite universe, and the Planck length, even though you acknowledged them a few posts back. How you define the PSoS doesn't help you if you can't get past those points. (Assuming you actually still want to justify dividing by infinity.)
xtifr,

- I do want to address those points. I also want to address the issue of time and space coordinates, and I still want to justify dividing by infinity.
- I recognize the problem that time and space coordinates bring to my claim of infinity, but I was sort of hoping that no one would consider the issue important enough to bring up... But then, maybe the time/space coordinate issue will help with the "define" issue. As superficially at least, those coordinates could finish preexisting definitions for each of us and ruin my claim of infinity...
- Does this help?

- I'll be back.
 
xtifr,

- I do want to address those points. I also want to address the issue of time and space coordinates, and I still want to justify dividing by infinity.
- I recognize the problem that time and space coordinates bring to my claim of infinity, but I was sort of hoping that no one would consider the issue important enough to bring up... But then, maybe the time/space coordinate issue will help with the "define" issue. As superficially at least, those coordinates could finish preexisting definitions for each of us and ruin my claim of infinity...- Does this help?

- I'll be back.

Could you rephrase that? I don't grok Gibberish.
 
xtifr,

- I do want to address those points.


Alas, ambition ≠ capability.



I also want to address the issue of time and space coordinates, and I still want to justify dividing by infinity.


How about a cure for cancer and conquering third world poverty while you're at it?



- I recognize the problem that time and space coordinates bring to my claim of infinity, but I was sort of hoping that no one would consider the issue important enough to bring up...


I'll bet you were.

Seriously, you're hoping that nobody will notice the great gaping holes in your malformed arguments?

Where the hell do you think you are?



But then, maybe the time/space coordinate issue will help with the "define" issue. As superficially at least, those coordinates could finish preexisting definitions for each of us and ruin my claim of infinity...


Your claim of infinity has been dead in the water for years.



- Does this help?

- I'll be back.


- No.

- Why?
 
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One serious sign of a bad case of Woo is people plugging "infinity" into equations as if it is a proper number.
 
- I recognize the problem that time and space coordinates bring to my claim of infinity, but I was sort of hoping that no one would consider the issue important enough to bring up...


"I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right." - Basil Fawlty
 
xtifr,

- I do want to address those points. I also want to address the issue of time and space coordinates, and I still want to justify dividing by infinity.
- I recognize the problem that time and space coordinates bring to my claim of infinity, but I was sort of hoping that no one would consider the issue important enough to bring up... But then, maybe the time/space coordinate issue will help with the "define" issue. As superficially at least, those coordinates could finish preexisting definitions for each of us and ruin my claim of infinity...
- Does this help?

- I'll be back.

Good Morning, Mr. Savage!

By now, it should be evident even to you that you are not going to be able to set up your "gotcha" moment, because your premises are so far removed from reality,

Why not go at it form the other end?

Why not simply present what you think is the evidence that the "soul" exists, and is "immortal"?
 
xtifr,

- I do want to address those points. I also want to address the issue of time and space coordinates, and I still want to justify dividing by infinity.

Sigh. Do you udnerstand how that read ? That read like this :
"yes I was told many time this is mathematically incorrect but whatever you say guys, I do not care, I will do it anyway".

You cannot divide by infinity. You cannot use infinity as youa re using in arithmetic probabilistic operation.

It is not a "under some circumstance" kind of "may not". it is a cannot. As in , you cannot in any circumstance whatsoever do that in probability.

Do YOU understand the concept of impossibility ? It is not allowed in normal arithmetic to do that kind of manipulation with infinity.

If you can't even agree to use basic arithmetic then any attempt at convincing people which DO agree to sue basic arithmetic is doomed.

Jabba, it is about as insane as using as basic premise that the "christian religion pretend that jesus was a raptor dynosaur". This is as false as THAT.

- I recognize the problem that time and space coordinates bring to my claim of infinity, but I was sort of hoping that no one would consider the issue important enough to bring up...

In other word you recognized the weakness of your argument but you decided to ggo ahead and hoped nobody would catch.

You realize that means that you are not trying to provide evidence your argument is correct, you are using rethoric to try to trick people into accepting your argument ? You realize how bad that means your argument is that you have to use such a trick because your argument does not stand on tis own ?

But then, maybe the time/space coordinate issue will help with the "define" issue. As superficially at least, those coordinates could finish preexisting definitions for each of us and ruin my claim of infinity...
- Does this help?

- I'll be back.

No. What would help is for you to finally admit that your attempt of using infinity was flawed and not acceptable
 
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If Jabba's intention is to troll he's doing it right. One content-less post generated six replies in twenty minutes.

Make that seven.
 
- I recognize the problem that time and space coordinates bring to my claim of infinity, but I was sort of hoping that no one would consider the issue important enough to bring up...


"I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right." - Basil Fawlty


I'm astounded that Jabba thinks he can make such a tacit admission of his intellectual dishonesty and still expect anyone to take his tripe seriously.

Up to now I've tried to resist accusations of sheer trollery, but it is what it is and he deserves to be called on it.


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If Jabba's intention is to troll he's doing it right. One content-less post generated six replies in twenty minutes.

Make that seven.

Personally my own hypothesis has been that Jabba has long recognized he has lost, but just out of spite he is going for the long run (also known as : whoever get the last post in the thread has won, also "last poster thread").
 
Personally my own hypothesis has been that Jabba has long recognized he has lost, but just out of spite he is going for the long run (also known as : whoever get the last post in the thread has won, also "last poster thread").


I reckon he's just filling in time until he hears back from the Whangers.
 
- I do want to address those points. I also want to address the issue of time and space coordinates, and I still want to justify dividing by infinity.

- I'll be back.

More about what you intend to tell us. Well, I want to address why you are wrong. The difference is that I (and others) will actually post our arguments, rather than just saying we will. In fact, we already have. Try reading them.

No doubt you will be back.
 
and I still want to justify dividing by infinity.

You can't! It is not allowed mathematically in your formula. But why do you want to do this at all? As I have said in the past, you could use 1,000,000,000 instead. It is still wrong biologically, but at least it is allowed by the math.

Hint: forget duplicating brains and dividing by infinity and just get to the rest of your proof.
 
- I recognize the problem that time and space coordinates bring to my claim of infinity, but I was sort of hoping that no one would consider the issue important enough to bring up... But then, maybe the time/space coordinate issue will help with the "define" issue. As superficially at least, those coordinates could finish preexisting definitions for each of us and ruin my claim of infinity...

You knew there was a problem that would ruin your theory, but hoped no one would notice? Once again, what are you trying to do here if you don't believe your claim yourself?
 
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I'm astounded that Jabba thinks he can make such a tacit admission of his intellectual dishonesty and still expect anyone to take his tripe seriously.

Up to now I've tried to resist accusations of sheer trollery, but it is what it is and he deserves to be called on it.


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This. I said long ago that he might not be a troll but is indistinguishable from one. This admission of blatant intellectual dishonesty leads me to conclude that if he is not a troll then he is a perfect example of Dunning Kruger both in regard to his chosen topic and in regard to academic discourse.
 
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