Men's Abortion Rights.

cullennz said:
Would have said Radical MRA to match the radical feminist, but get he point.

Strangely, not everyone who is slightly worried about mens issues is Egor the terrible
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See? We can agree on something. (Well, other than the spelling of Igor. Brace yourselves for traditional ISF/JREFF meme: "It's Eye-gor!") Feminists, radical or not are not necessarily misandrists, either. That's the point I was making.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Not to try and stop a fun argument, but in case of those with reading difficulties, this thread is not about "Father's rights", it's about those men that think they should have right to a say whether a woman who they don't know can have an abortion of not. You know the ones that want to change laws around the world to prevent any woman having it.

Feel free to carry on now.
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Well I'm pretty sure that the only men who could get pregnant in the first place are trans men, so I think it's a thread about the intersectionality between transgender identities and women's reproductive rights.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Not to try and stop a fun argument, but in case of those with reading difficulties, this thread is not about "Father's rights", it's about those men that think they should have right to a say whether a woman who they don't know can have an abortion of not. You know the ones that want to change laws around the world to prevent any woman having it.

Feel free to carry on now.
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Thought is was just me that had obviously misunderstood the topic! :)
 
Puppycow said:
Well I'm pretty sure that the only men who could get pregnant in the first place are trans men, so I think it's a thread about the intersectionality between transgender identities and women's reproductive rights.
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Transmen can have abortions only as long as they have them in the ladies' locker room and not the men's.
 
What is the relevance of being personally acquainted with the individual in question?

Would it be any different if I had encountered the woman before? Are men allowed to have opinions about only the women they know personally or is it possible to have a general philosophy when it comes to the matter?
 
psionl0 said:
I would tend to agree that it is human but then that leaves the question, "does it have human rights (including the right to life)"? If not then does the description "human" mean anything?
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I don't know. We consider that some humans have fewer rights than others all the time.
 
PhantomWolf said:
So a relatively simple question with what is probably a nor so simple answer.



If you are a man and disagree with Abortion, can you express what you think gives you the right to dictate how a woman who is unrelated to you, and not in a relationship with you, should have to deal with her own body?
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There's more than one body involved. It's the same thing that gives you the right to dictate what any two strangers do to each other.
 
PhantomWolf said:
If you are a man and disagree with Abortion, can you express what you think gives you the right to dictate how a woman who is unrelated to you, and not in a relationship with you, should have to deal with her own body?
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Now do drug laws.
 
Somewhere else I was reading about a pregnant woman who was approached by a stranger chiding her for drinking coffee. It seems that once you're pregnant you become public property, and strangers seem to feel no compunction about telling you what to do or not to do.

Of course those who are adamantly opposed to abortions will always feel entitled to speak out wherever and whenever they feel their values are threatened, because to them minding your own business includes minding that of others as long as they don't have the presumption to reciprocate.
 
bruto said:
Somewhere else I was reading about a pregnant woman who was approached by a stranger chiding her for drinking coffee. It seems that once you're pregnant you become public property, and strangers seem to feel no compunction about telling you what to do or not to do.
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On the other hand we have laws that treat people like we can tell them what to do or not to do. Not that it wasn't rude, but we make comments to people all the time.
 
If women can terminate a pregnancy without the men's consent, then men should be able to terminate parental rights without the woman's consent
 
applecorped said:
If women can terminate a pregnancy without the men's consent, then men should be able to terminate parental rights without the woman's consent
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What the hell does that mean? You're not going to have parental rights if they terminate the pregnancy. Also, if the woman had the child that means that she wanted to be a parent. What are you even talking about? You don't have any kids do you?
 
bruto said:
Somewhere else I was reading about a pregnant woman who was approached by a stranger chiding her for drinking coffee. It seems that once you're pregnant you become public property, and strangers seem to feel no compunction about telling you what to do or not to do.
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I read that, too. You left out the funny part: the pregnant lady is an MD in obstetrics and gynecology and was wearing her coat and nametag identifying her as such!
 
plague311 said:
What the hell does that mean? You're not going to have parental rights if they terminate the pregnancy. Also, if the woman had the child that means that she wanted to be a parent. What are you even talking about? You don't have any kids do you?
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I'm kind of surprised you don't know. He's talking about not being forced to pay for child support for a child you don't want.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm kind of surprised you don't know. He's talking about not being forced to pay for child support for a child you don't want.
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...because they're two separate things. It's a false equivalence at best.

No one forced him to have sex, but in the opposite direction someone is forcing the woman to do something she doesn't want to do.

I'm kind of surprised that needed to be explained.

j.k. I'm not.
 
Amazer said:
As a devil's advocate:

The fertilized egg (and from there onwards) is a human life... as such it deserves the same rights and protection as any other human life. It's our duty as society to enforce those rights and that protection.

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This is the ENTIRE debate, but it feels like the pro-choice side (which I am part of) usually doesn't acknowledge this, framing it as if it is ONLY about the woman's body.

I am pro-choice because I generally feel that up to some point (I don't know the exact cut-off, I leave that to medical professionals) the woman's right to body autonomy is more important than the fetus's right to life.

To say that because men aren't the people becoming pregnant suggests they should have no say in the matter is honestly childish imo
 
pharphis said:
To say that because men aren't the people becoming pregnant suggests they should have no say in the matter is honestly childish imo
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I don't agree with that at all. There are several different ways a woman can get pregnant even if both parties take precautions. If she still ends up getting pregnant he has no right to tell her what to do with the baby or her body. If wants to have a kid, find a woman that also wants to have a kid.
 
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