Men's Abortion Rights.

Let me break it down: Suppose I put MY dollar in a soda machine... who does the soda belong to?

A deposit for a mortgage with your missus, with her having to pay a bit off by herself is probably a better analogy.

With the twist the missus can sell the house on you if they feel like it and not give you the deposit back.

Or pay off a fair bit off the house if they chose to keep it for a while, then you have to chip in.
 
Not to try and stop a fun argument, but in case of those with reading difficulties, this thread is not about "Father's rights", it's about those men that think they should have right to a say whether a woman who they don't know can have an abortion of not. You know the ones that want to change laws around the world to prevent any woman having it.

Feel free to carry on now.
 
Not to try and stop a fun argument, but in case of those with reading difficulties, this thread is not about "Father's rights", it's about those men that think they should have right to a say whether a woman who they don't know can have an abortion of not. You know the ones that want to change laws around the world to prevent any woman having it.

Feel free to carry on now.

Really what you are asking is, what gives any man the right to decide whether a female stranger can or cannot have an abortion.

Another way of thinking of this could be, if you were in a position to vote for or against legislation to outright ban abortion, which way would you vote, and if you would vote to ban, justify your reasons for doing so.
 
If you are a man and disagree with Abortion, can you express what you think gives you the right to dictate how a woman who is unrelated to you, and not in a relationship with you, should have to deal with her own body?
This sounds like a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Whether you agree or disagree with abortion is a separate issue on whether a man has a right to dictate what a woman can do with her body.
 
Not to try and stop a fun argument, but in case of those with reading difficulties, this thread is not about "Father's rights", it's about those men that think they should have right to a say whether a woman who they don't know can have an abortion of not. You know the ones that want to change laws around the world to prevent any woman having it.

Feel free to carry on now.

Got ya

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Though I am curious to know why you think a woman who doesn't know the pregnant woman has an opinion more important to whether the pregnant woman can have an abortion, than a dude who doesn't know the pregnant woman.
 
Yes, oft-used in the context of a sperm donation from someone not in a relationship with the would-be mother, with the identities of the respective parties not usually known to each other.

Thank you, Professor Obvious. I take it you don't hang out with a lot of feminists, particularly radical feminists. If you did, you'd be familiar with the term of disparagement for the male partner.
 
Thank you, Professor Obvious. I take it you don't hang out with a lot of feminists, particularly radical feminists. If you did, you'd be familiar with the term of disparagement for the male partner.
That doesn't make the terminology of a misandrist the official definition of a father.
 
Men who cannot get pregnant have no abortion rights. A woman's body belongs to her and not to her mate.

I'll try to squint real hard and find an argument against that: the sperm that comprises the zygote is the man's, and he should have a say about it.

Not great, but not zero.
 
The complication is that there are two entities to consider - not just the woman (I've disregarded the man, because he should have absolutely no rights over the course of action that the woman may take (but I agree ... it might be nice to discuss the options! :))).

In my opinion, there should be (and indeed are, in some jurisdictions), time limits within which abortions may be undertaken. And those time limits should vary according to circumstances. A condition giving rise to either the mother or baby suffering or risking ill health, deformity and the like, should have a longer limit than a simple decision to abort for convenience - but both should be allowed - indeed possibly advised in the case of the former.

Gee, dude, I know we rarely agreed on anything but, hey, welcome back.
 
Not that I'm against abortion, but: if the zygote isn't human life, what is it?
That is the burning question. At what point does it become human? Some would say "it ain't human until the umbilical cord is cut" and some would maintain that it is human from the moment of conception. Most would try to specify some point during the pregnancy but it is like trying to say how many whiskers a man should have on his face before you call it a beard. There is no "correct" answer.
 
That is the burning question. At what point does it become human? Some would say "it ain't human until the umbilical cord is cut" and some would maintain that it is human from the moment of conception. Most would try to specify some point during the pregnancy but it is like trying to say how many whiskers a man should have on his face before you call it a beard. There is no "correct" answer.

Right, I mean, my abortion cut-off point is viability, because of how I see the foetus... but isn't it a human life still?
 
I don't think I have the right to dictate. I democratically elect politicians to do that job for me.
 
Right, I mean, my abortion cut-off point is viability, because of how I see the foetus... but isn't it a human life still?
I would tend to agree that it is human but then that leaves the question, "does it have human rights (including the right to life)"? If not then does the description "human" mean anything?
 
Abortion would be less controversial if it were reframed as merely applying the death penalty to trespassing in someone's uterus. Trespassing is already a crime, and the death penalty is already a thing, and everyone agrees women's bodies are property, so all the elements are already in place.
 
And wherever you see an MRA, can wife beaters be far behind? Radical feminists may include but are not necessarily, misandrists.

Would have said Radical MRA to match the radical feminist, but get he point.

Strangely, not everyone who is slightly worried about mens issues is Egor the terrible
 

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