Men in Black - reality?

JJR said:
The character stated after the exercise in logic that he believed that it was just normal rock . . . because of personal prejudice.
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Are you saying he was wrong because moon rock isn't normal, or that that he was right and it's the same thing as what's on the other side of the moon? Because either way he was still more right than when pontificating there might be cities or mountains of gold on the other side.

So it wasn't personal prejudice. Unlike in the part of the discussion we've all had when we get really high and look at the stars, it was the rational part of his brain that figured out how unrealistic his goofy side was being and made the right call.
 
JJR said:
Strange that the scientists labled the pulsars what they did, then. Are creative minds always prone to fragmentation from reality? Seems so . . .
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It's interesting how you say "The scientists" to try to mislead people into thinking that scientists who discovered pulsars all assumed it was aliens. This of course is not true. Some people did indeed think they were aliens signals. As there will always be someone who takes ever new discovery to possibly be something like that. But to make the claim that implies all scientists though pulsars were alien messages is not correct. And that's not to even remotely implied that those who thought they were alien signals were any less than those who didn't. That point is irrelevant to the thread and the context of it as is the whole claim in general.

But in the same notion, this assumption that some people had about the pulsars is not much different than people assuming that because a helicopter has no markings that they can see, that it must be because of some devious purposes.
 
Jonnyclueless said:
Oh I am sorry, I guess making assumptions and conjecture as to why something isn't as you think it is supposed to be is MUCH more appropriate.
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To a degree, possibly. You've hit on something quite strange there I'll wager!
 
Drudgewire said:
Are you saying he was wrong because moon rock isn't normal, or that that he was right and it's the same thing as what's on the other side of the moon? Because either way he was still more right than when pontificating there might be cities or mountains of gold on the other side.

So it wasn't personal prejudice. Unlike in the part of the discussion we've all had when we get really high and look at the stars, it was the rational part of his brain that figured out how unrealistic his goofy side was being and made the right call.
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No. Unless you've been there and seen it you can NOT say that there is anything there when you get to the dark side of the moon. The story was set in a time before the moon landing . . . so no one had ever seen the dark side.
 
JJR said:
They are trained to be completely logical, and if you ask them what color a house is, they will say, "This side is white" . . . and no more.
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Whoa, heavy.

At moments like this I'm reminded of one of my very favorite quotes ever:

"Philosophy was always a very interesting subject. The word philosophy comes from philo, meaning "wild, mind blowing rule8 to think about," and sophy, meaning "until you grow up a little more and realize it's a dumb waste of time."
-Doc Evil
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:D
 
Jonnyclueless said:
It's interesting how you say "The scientists" to try to mislead people into thinking that scientists who discovered pulsars all assumed it was aliens. This of course is not true. Some people did indeed think they were aliens signals. As there will always be someone who takes ever new discovery to possibly be something like that. But to make the claim that implies all scientists though pulsars were alien messages is not correct. And that's not to even remotely implied that those who thought they were alien signals were any less than those who didn't. That point is irrelevant to the thread and the context of it as is the whole claim in general.

But in the same notion, this assumption that some people had about the pulsars is not much different than people assuming that because a helicopter has no markings that they can see, that it must be because of some devious purposes.
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Okay, but in the Heinlein story a kid got sick of his skeptisism and said, "Doc, by your logic you might as well say the moon is made out of green cheese!" and the Doc replied, "Nope. They bounced radio waves off the moon and compared the surface to cheese. No resemblance. True story."

Or something like that. The Doc was a factual person and a skeptic, but he still believed there was a dark side of the moon even though no man had ever seen it. The point is that even the most skeptical mind may use faith from time to time in order to get by. I mean, even if you look before you leap you still have to trust that the ground you leap onto will hold your weight.
 
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JJR said:
Okay, but in the Heinlein story a kid got sick of his skeptisism and said, "Doc, by your logic you might as well say the moon is made out of green cheese!" and the Doc replied, "Nope. They bounced radio waves off the moon and compared the surface to cheese. No resemblance. True story."

Or something like that. The Doc was a factual person and a skeptic, but he still believed there was a dark side of the moon even though no man had ever seen it. The point is that even the most skeptical mind may use faith from time to time in order to get by. I mean, even if you look before you leap you still have to trust that the ground you leap onto will hold your weight.
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1. Heinlein very well knew that there is no "dark side" to the moon. There is a "far side," but it isn't dark. The characters in "Rocket Ship Galileo" knew this as well. The discussion was about what the moon was made of. They were discussing it during the first ever (to their knowledge) trip to the moon.
2. Doc mentioned someone comparing the spectrum of light from the moon with the emission spectrum from green cheese and finding them different, hence the moon was not made of green cheese.
3. The whole thing was philosophical discussion. Point being for Doc to impress on the younger guys that what you see isn't necessarily reality and to not let your expectations cloud your view of what's really there. He winds up the discussion by saying that he also fully expects to find the moon is made of rock.
 
It seems fairly obvious that secret government agencies would use the concept known as "disguise" and wouldn't continue to wear identical black suits once they had been found out. I'd be suspicious of the fat stubbly guy in a dirty t-shirt.

Though I believe in the FBI, Hoover used to insist that undercover agents continued to dress neatly and shave every day.
 
JJR said:
Okay, but in the Heinlein story a kid got sick of his skeptisism and said, "Doc, by your logic you might as well say the moon is made out of green cheese!" and the Doc replied, "Nope. They bounced radio waves off the moon and compared the surface to cheese. No resemblance. True story."

Or something like that. The Doc was a factual person and a skeptic, but he still believed there was a dark side of the moon even though no man had ever seen it. The point is that even the most skeptical mind may use faith from time to time in order to get by. I mean, even if you look before you leap you still have to trust that the ground you leap onto will hold your weight.
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It wasn't skepticism that got the kid. It was the off the wall speculation that got the kids. Read it carefully. Doc is actually trying to convince a group of rock hard "just the facts, please" kids that they need to step back and question their assumptions.

You've got three young guys, around twenty years old, who've built smaller rockets entirely from scratch and who have converted a larger rocket for moon travel. They have their facts lined up firmly with their assumptions. It seems to have worked pretty well for them, because it's gotten them started towards the moon when big businesses and goevernments have failed.

Doc is trying to tell these cocky kids that having the answers on one subject (how to build rocket ships) doesn't mean they've got the market cornered on being right.
 
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westprog said:
It seems fairly obvious that secret government agencies would use the concept known as "disguise" and wouldn't continue to wear identical black suits once they had been found out. I'd be suspicious of the fat stubbly guy in a dirty t-shirt.
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It's all a clever double bluff. No-one would believe MiBs would actually be stupid enough to dress in black suits with cool sunglasses, so they are perfectly safe doing so.
 
Cuddles said:
It's all a clever double bluff. No-one would believe MiBs would actually be stupid enough to dress in black suits with cool sunglasses, so they are perfectly safe doing so.
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Actually, it's worse than that. Sometimes they go incognito, and sometimes full MiB. It keeps people guessing. Wheels within wheels...
 
MortFurd said:
Actually, it's worse than that. Sometimes they go incognito, and sometimes full MiB. It keeps people guessing. Wheels within wheels...
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And sometimes they'll wear the trousers but not the jacket. Then we don't know what to think.:eek:
 
JJR said:
Black, unmarked hellicopters are unusual. Why would they have no markings?
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No, actually, they're not. Military choppers are commonly black in color, and often have no or subdued markings:

http://www.militarypictures.info/d/1032-2/Blackhawk.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/buzzard_blackhawk_hr.jpg

http://www.militaryfactory.com/wallpaper/imgs/blackhawk003.jpg (to be fair, that one does have some white lettering on one of what appears to be an external fuel tank.)

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/chembio/images/blackhawk.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?img.../images?q=blackhawk&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en&sa=G

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/apache-helicopter-45.jpg

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/KernCounty2004/Highlights/ApacheClimbing.jpg

http://dautremont.chez-alice.fr/Commanche_1.jpg

http://www.ndu.edu/nwc/nwcCLIPART/U...opters/RAH-66(Commanche)/1RAH66Commanche1.jpg

Or is the idea that the black choppers are military, and therefore suspicious? I'm sorry, I'm not really up on my black helicopter lore.
 
Jonnyclueless said:
I don't see how people expect to believe that black paint can be put on a helicopter. White paint sure, but black? It's just not possible. Only aliens have that technology.
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Oh, you can put it on alright, but getting this crummy NWO-issue garbage to stay on is another matter. Three days of exposure to L.A. air and the stuff is flaking like pie crust. You'd think that an evil clandestine organization that controls the world would be able to control a decent paint factory but NOOO...

It's really embarrassing to have to keep taking the chopper to Earl Scheib- and you think our Illuminati masters can be bothered to pay off on the out-of-pocket expense reports? Hoo-ha!

Maybe I should get the signed receipt at the paint shop before I flashy-thing the employees.
 
sorry to resurrect this thread from the dead but I heard about this recently and didnt see any new threads. I have a few links to contribute. Probably nothing tenable but still out there for those interested/curious.

For any interest in these supposed MIB
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1906655/pg1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHmVemCn2Ik

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1701.htm

The family of Dr. Herbert Hopkins of Orchard Beach, Maine has reported the strange appearance of MIB, as well as Peter Rojcewicz, professor of humanities and folklore at Julliard School in New York.
 
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