Ron_Tomkins
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Oh I bet you would love that, now wouldn't you?
I have no interest in putting my penis next to another man's penis, but thank you for your kind offer. Nice try. Good day.
Men and woo- I'd like both men and women to offer opinions on this
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Oh I bet you would love that, now wouldn't you?
I have no interest in putting my penis next to another man's penis, but thank you for your kind offer. Nice try. Good day.
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I don't know about Rebecca, but I would guess that it might be that creationism emphasizes the creation of woman from man's rib, and thus her natural subservience to him (if you believe that kind of thing.) We all know how uppity women can get if they're not kept in their place.
Tell me about it. Now hurry up and make my dinner, woman!
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Men and woo- I'd like both men and women to offer opinions on this
So no hermaphrodites allowed to give their opinion? That sounds to me as segregationism.
So no hermaphrodites allowed to give their opinion? That sounds to me as segregationism.
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Who cares what gender, race, creed, or religion goes to psychic mediums most? It depends on the individual what they believe or not.
And talking to spirits of the dead and superstition are two different things. One can believe in spirits, but not think walking under a ladder will bring bad luck.
Dumb thread.
And talking to spirits of the dead and superstition are two different things. One can believe in spirits, but not think walking under a ladder will bring bad luck.
Dumb thread.
arthwollipot
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Clearly, the OP cares. I thought it was obvious that it was a matter of interest. There are clear trends, and the OP was interested in those trends.
Wow. Yes. I agree.
And my faith in the constancy of the universe is restored.
There is no such thing as an uninteresting subject, Amy, only an uninterested person. If you are uninterested, there is no need for you to post in the thread.
I come from a relatively large family of 6 kids (compared with my friend who has 10 siblings!), plus parents, and I can comment on where we all stand...
Quickly:
3 females - one complete skeptic, one very woo, one wooish
5 males - one complete skeptic, one very woo, the other 3 wooish
In more detail (siblings first):
Two of us are what I would call complete skeptics - one is female (me, the youngest sibling) the other male.
Two of us are quite woo - again, one is female, the other male, and they are my oldest siblings but have always been woo.
The other two siblings, both males, are not skeptics (they believe in a god, attend church semi-regularly), but don't go around talking about woo things.
Then there are the folks, in their 70's and 80's, one male, one female (duh) and I don't remember any wooish talks when I was growing up, nor did they go to church when I was a kid (but I did!) - but they both attend church regularly now.
Quickly:
3 females - one complete skeptic, one very woo, one wooish
5 males - one complete skeptic, one very woo, the other 3 wooish
In more detail (siblings first):
Two of us are what I would call complete skeptics - one is female (me, the youngest sibling) the other male.
Two of us are quite woo - again, one is female, the other male, and they are my oldest siblings but have always been woo.
The other two siblings, both males, are not skeptics (they believe in a god, attend church semi-regularly), but don't go around talking about woo things.
Then there are the folks, in their 70's and 80's, one male, one female (duh) and I don't remember any wooish talks when I was growing up, nor did they go to church when I was a kid (but I did!) - but they both attend church regularly now.
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meg
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Rather than assume there's some essentialist reason for men gravitating to certain woo cultures and women gravitating to others, I tend to believe it has more to do with the social rules of that woo culture. I think woo beliefs are mostly equal opportunity beliefs, and are believed pretty equally by men and women. However, who is allowed to rise to some kind of vocal leadership role within the community differs depending on the fundamental beliefs of the particular woo. For example, creationists obviously believe strongly in bible woo, and therefore, in general, tend to buy into the whole "woman should not presume to teach the man" woo. It's not that there aren't a lot of women that believe in creationism, it's just that they are not permitted to be particularly vocal or rise to leadership type positions. Their books won't be published. Their thoughts won't be listened to. They are supposed to be meek and subservient to the men, so that's what they do. They are also supposed to stay home and take care of the children, so they're less likely to attend conferences and conventions.
I don't really know, but I would guess that any woo that includes some fundamental belief in a "natural order" of things, or in "God's plan", like white supremacists, kkk, nazis, holocaust deniers, etc will be dominated by males who also believe that men are naturally superior to women. Again, it's not that there aren't just as many hideously bigoted women, it's just that nobody in the movement listens to them.
Spirits, being disembodied, apparently seem to not care too much about the gender of their channeler, though, so women are just as able to pretend to talk to the dead as men. General myths about "women's intuition" and how "women are more sensitive than men" in our culture at large might even give them a small edge as to their believability in ESP and the like.
Crystals, reiki, healing touch, etc all empower the woodoer, which may be particularly attractive to those members of the community that have felt disempowered by their childhood male centered religion and home culture. Wicca adds the extra enticement of appreciating the "feminine devine", an attractive counter balance.
As to UFO, troothers and Bigfoot believers, I know a whole lot of women that believe in it, but just don't feel any particular need to prove it to be true. I just look at it kind of like any other field of study (no matter how ridiculous it is). It's hard for a woman to break into a male dominated field. Once some woman does, you'll see more women join in.
My apologies to Rebecca. The flakiness of my internet connection prohibits me from watching any but the shortest videos right now. I look forward to reading your future writings about your research.
I don't really know, but I would guess that any woo that includes some fundamental belief in a "natural order" of things, or in "God's plan", like white supremacists, kkk, nazis, holocaust deniers, etc will be dominated by males who also believe that men are naturally superior to women. Again, it's not that there aren't just as many hideously bigoted women, it's just that nobody in the movement listens to them.
Spirits, being disembodied, apparently seem to not care too much about the gender of their channeler, though, so women are just as able to pretend to talk to the dead as men. General myths about "women's intuition" and how "women are more sensitive than men" in our culture at large might even give them a small edge as to their believability in ESP and the like.
Crystals, reiki, healing touch, etc all empower the woodoer, which may be particularly attractive to those members of the community that have felt disempowered by their childhood male centered religion and home culture. Wicca adds the extra enticement of appreciating the "feminine devine", an attractive counter balance.
As to UFO, troothers and Bigfoot believers, I know a whole lot of women that believe in it, but just don't feel any particular need to prove it to be true. I just look at it kind of like any other field of study (no matter how ridiculous it is). It's hard for a woman to break into a male dominated field. Once some woman does, you'll see more women join in.
My apologies to Rebecca. The flakiness of my internet connection prohibits me from watching any but the shortest videos right now. I look forward to reading your future writings about your research.
Just edit the question in your mind to read: "I'd like (those who are) both men and women to offer opinions on this."
Oh I bet you would love that, now wouldn't you?
I have no interest in putting my penis next to another man's penis, but thank you for your kind offer. Nice try. Good day.
We measure them in privacy, ferchrisakes!
(metric units, please)
Ron_Tomkins
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Okay okay. Just don't accuse me of being a liar if you get surprised by the final results.
arthwollipot
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That would be an ego boost! Let me see - assume an average of 8 inches, that converts to somewhere around 20cm, which sounds pretty good, but in angstroms...
2 032 000 000!
Now there's a big number!
From now on I'm going to measure my member in angstroms.
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Inquisitive Raven
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Haven't met FTK have you?
Actually, AFAICT, the outspoken female creos are on school boards, in Florida, North Carolina, Oklahoma, etc. They may not be the leaders, but they're there.
Ohh, just thought of a possibility. Denyse O'Leary?
UnrepentantSinner
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Haven't met FTK have you?
Who?
Definately agree with that, and some definately are the leaders. IIRC one of the Kansas school board Creationist leaders was a woman. I was referring to high profile Creationists like Hovind, Morris, Gish, Ham etc.
- edit Kathy Martin and Connie Morris are the two I'm thinking of.
Who?
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I remember seeing an episode of Medium in Danish TV, where Allison's husband were to be interviewed by an FBI official using a polygraph. He were told by Allison to tell the truth about his wife's abilities (this is not to be a discussion about Medium, though, there is a point to this, I promise).
He told the truth and answered the FBI's guys question about whether or not his wife were able to tell what he was going to say, always would know what he had been up to, and sometimes even finished his sentences. And some other stuff. The FBI concluded this:
*you know what. My wife is psychic, too*
And in my experience, most women and wifes are ---- not as Allison is portrayed in Medium, but in how they deal with everyday life.
Most women probably have a hunch if their partner are unfaithfull or is looking at other men or will question why a man gives her flowers, if he has not done so in the past or will probably know when a guy is lying to them or what they have been up to. Twice as many women than men believe in astrology.
The point here is that more women than seems to believe in pre-cognition. Maybe this is because most women's brain are wired a bit differently than most men's brains are wired?
This is just an idea as I have no studies to back this up (as of yet).
But I do think it makes sense in that back in the day of the stone ages, women would stay home (normally) and look after the children and slowly over time they would make a notice on when children and other could be in danger. And then react to this.
It could also be that women are encouraged by their mothers and society to be wary of men and then just be educated to learn, maybe unconscious?, by their mothers etc. to notice the little subtle signs men uses when they say tell a lie or tell a story that isn't quite true.
Interestingly, the Danish newspaper Belingske Tidende did a survey on this and found the
same as the N.Y. study did. Here's the link.
http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20080319/danmark/703190026/
Here's another link:
http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20080319/kultur/703190009/
The articles are in Danish (unfortunately) but the main thing is that 37 % of all Danes believe in ghosts, while 34% believe in clairvoyants, and 29% believe in astrology.
About 4 out of 10 women believe in clairvoyants, while 54% of men do not believe in either ghosts nor clairvoyants.
So it seems that this study from the Danish Gallup-institute validates (if this is the correct word) the study from N.Y. - especially since Gallup did interview 1022 Danes that were carefully selcted to match a representative section of the overall Danish population.
He told the truth and answered the FBI's guys question about whether or not his wife were able to tell what he was going to say, always would know what he had been up to, and sometimes even finished his sentences. And some other stuff. The FBI concluded this:
*you know what. My wife is psychic, too*
And in my experience, most women and wifes are ---- not as Allison is portrayed in Medium, but in how they deal with everyday life.
Most women probably have a hunch if their partner are unfaithfull or is looking at other men or will question why a man gives her flowers, if he has not done so in the past or will probably know when a guy is lying to them or what they have been up to. Twice as many women than men believe in astrology.
The point here is that more women than seems to believe in pre-cognition. Maybe this is because most women's brain are wired a bit differently than most men's brains are wired?
This is just an idea as I have no studies to back this up (as of yet).
But I do think it makes sense in that back in the day of the stone ages, women would stay home (normally) and look after the children and slowly over time they would make a notice on when children and other could be in danger. And then react to this.
It could also be that women are encouraged by their mothers and society to be wary of men and then just be educated to learn, maybe unconscious?, by their mothers etc. to notice the little subtle signs men uses when they say tell a lie or tell a story that isn't quite true.
Interestingly, the Danish newspaper Belingske Tidende did a survey on this and found the
same as the N.Y. study did. Here's the link.
http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20080319/danmark/703190026/
Here's another link:
http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20080319/kultur/703190009/
The articles are in Danish (unfortunately) but the main thing is that 37 % of all Danes believe in ghosts, while 34% believe in clairvoyants, and 29% believe in astrology.
About 4 out of 10 women believe in clairvoyants, while 54% of men do not believe in either ghosts nor clairvoyants.
So it seems that this study from the Danish Gallup-institute validates (if this is the correct word) the study from N.Y. - especially since Gallup did interview 1022 Danes that were carefully selcted to match a representative section of the overall Danish population.
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meg
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Am I missing something, or is this saying that pretty much men and women are the same?
If 4 out of 10 women (40%) believe in clairvoyants, that means 6 out of 10 (60%) do not believe in clairvoyants, yes?
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That is 40% of women believe in clairvoyants
46% of men believe in clairvoyants.
or
60% of women do NOT believe in clairvoyants
54% of men do NOT believe in clairvoyants
Sorry, I just like my statistics neat and orderly.
Susan
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A part of me believes that this was predicted in advance.