Meldrum's new paper / North American Ape Foot

[LTC8K6]

Well, that cuts out most of the chances for any conversation with certain posters...

 

[Ravenwood]

has anyone been able to explain why castings taken from a trackway of the same (say "left foot" for the sake of argument) fail to show the exact same "dermal ridges"? If they were indeed like fingerprints, they should be the same & you would think this would be obvious to a fingerprint expert...

 

[Drewbot]

There is only one category of bigfoot experts.
Those that call themselves experts based on assumptions derived from hope and emotion, and lack of forensic evidence.

Creekfreak, if you would ask me about the landing gear imprints I have looked at, I would say, "I compared the prints to actual landing gear to verify my findings"

Jimmy Chilcutt can't say that. Do you see the absurdity of the title 'bigfoot expert???'

 

[LTC8K6]

Oh this has been brought up several times. It's even in Kitakaze's signature and a reference to it is in my signature. We have the same problem with the supposed mid-tarsal break. It hardly ever shows up in the prints.

Few prints are alike, but this doesn't seem to faze anyone.


http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/fxnlmorph.html

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Have it your way. But allow me to encourage you to have a conversation if not a meeting with forensic print expert Jim Chilcutt in Conroe, Texas. There is much you can learn about tracks presumptive for sasquatch....

Here's how a fingerprint expert was able to get fooled by dessication ridges: Chilcutt had previously worked with casts made with fixatives during his work with law enforcement. Since he used fixatives, he didn't know that it was possible to get fooled by dermal-looking dessication ridges. The "Bigfoot" prints he was working with weren't prepared using fixatives. You can see for yourself here.

A hoaxer could easily prepare a track cast without using a fixative and then use that cast to fake tracks that will produce dermal ridges even if a fixative is used. They could even use a copy of an improperly prepared "real" cast to (inadvertainly) produce tracks with dermal ridges. Or they could do something like this or this. Then again, they could not even consider faking dermals and let Bigfoot investigators who don't know about using fixatives unknowningly create the "dermals."

I find your comment about skeptic tunnelvision to be a bit bizarre. After all, you were welcomed with open arms when you first showed up here.

 

[LTC8K6]

I just realized that Meldrum has now associated bigfoot with the term NAPE. NAPE, for North American Ape, is associated with hoaxed prints of a supposed NAPE.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/nape.htm

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/ape_nape.htm

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

I just realized that Meldrum has now associated bigfoot with the term NAPE. NAPE, for North American Ape, is associated with hoaxed prints of a supposed NAPE.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/nape.htm

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/ape_nape.htm

If I'm reading the comments here correctly, Jerry Coleman suspects that his brother Loren was the hoaxer of those tracks.

 

[Creekfreak]

Spiderbears / Large hairy carnivore creatures of the dark .

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Each track has its own unique tracings.(stretches of skin and skin stretching can be seen and in some cases deep wounds and scaring, several have missing digits.)

What's the big deal about scars? People in the special effects industry or the Halloween enthusiast crowd will crack up at the suggestion that it's hard to fake realistic-looking scars.

I wonder if the "missing digits" prints are just an excuse to bring in the tracks with 3-4 toes as "evidence". I've heard that the ones with 3 toes are really alligator tracks.

Even more stuff that casts doubt on the validity of Bigfoot tracks:

Wallacefoot meets perfectfoot?

Print comparisons (uses pictures).

More print comparisons.

Even more print comparisons (uses drawings).

Despite having human-looking feet, a Sasquatch's toes don't behave like a shoeless human's toes do. This link also notes one of the problems with the track depth issue. Similarly, how can you press your feet several inches into the ground while walking and not trip?

 

[Starthinker]

Why do all bigfoot threads end up like this?

 

[Correa Neto]

Do they actually end?

Zombie threads, I say, zombies...

 

[tube]

My understanding of taxonomic nomenclature is admittedly at a beginners level, but if I understand correctly, this track is a legitimate example of Anthropoidipes ameriborealis:

 

[Pyrts]

------------------
I think there clearly are many instances where we may rule out human hoaxing in tracks cast that are presumptive for sasquatches, if only for the presence of dermal ridging which in these tracks, runs opposite our footprint dermal tracings yet are still whorled and lined consistently in other footprints cast in deeply remote wilderness areas of Alaska, British Columbia down to California.

I'm going to bite, here. What medium were the tracks found in and how were they processed?

Some of the tracks cast are present with a straight line or straight row of footprints in dirt which humans cannot leave......our tracks are off-set, left right, left right.

You're saying they're graviportal? Wide track? That would be inconsistant with anthropod skeletal design.

It appears that the locomotion of the sasquatch, where ever his tracks are observed walks with characteristics unique to them alone inasmuch as no other life form puts down a straight line of footprints in the ground and no other life form does that with a stride of four to five feet.

You could easily do that if you were a hoaxer.

There are literally hundreds of tracks cast in various collections.

Got links?

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Still more problems with Dr. Meldrum's work with supposed Bigfoot tracks and the Patterson-Gimlin film...

 

[historian]

Here is Meldrum and company's stuff from "Monster Quest" on the History Channel 11/07/07

Alleged Sasquatch hair taken by Meldrum from lake cabin welcome mat in Canada:
Hair contained no medula
Hair contained a natural tip that was not cut

Alleged Sasquatch DNA from blood on screws in welcome mat/board:
Only one base pair nucleotide deviated from Man
Great Apes have 35 deviated nucleotide pairs from Man

Blood pattern on screws in welcome mat/board, matched the pattern and size of common Sasquatch footprints

That DNA analysis would make Sasquatch the closest DNA match to Man, on the planet.

 

[LTC8K6]

So it was probably degraded human DNA then? So what? Did they do Y-STR testing?

We can also get mitochondrial DNA from hairs wthout the root. What did that test show?

 

[LTC8K6]

Bigfoot was dumb enough to step on a fakir's doormat?

How can that be?

 

[LTC8K6]

Historian, the news articles say it was a bear trap...

My guess is that the media is wrong, though.

 

[kitakaze]

has anyone been able to explain why castings taken from a trackway of the same (say "left foot" for the sake of argument) fail to show the exact same "dermal ridges"? If they were indeed like fingerprints, they should be the same & you would think this would be obvious to a fingerprint expert...

Oh this has been brought up several times. It's even in Kitakaze's signature and a reference to it is in my signature. We have the same problem with the supposed mid-tarsal break. It hardly ever shows up in the prints.

Few prints are alike, but this doesn't seem to faze anyone.


http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/fxnlmorph.html

Good question, Ravenwood. The answer, as you can see in my signature, is 'no'. This was the single most important question regarding alledged dermatoglyphics in my opinion and could the question be answered in the affirmative, it would nullify all debate surroundings tube's work and Chilcutt's gross errors.

I contacted Meldrum directly trying to get a answer but was unsuccessful. Diogenes posted the relevant portion of my e-mail on BFF where Meldrum has posted but that too brought no answer. It was some time till an answer from him was forthcoming. This did not happen until Meldrum made an appearance on Melissa Hovey and Teresa Hall's 'Let's Talk Bigfoot' podcast who asked him directly at my request.

IIRC, Meldrum's answer involved the difficulties in attaining any casts displaying dermatogyphics and in the end he said, "Unfortunately, no."

 

[historian]

Historian, the news articles say it was a bear trap...

My guess is that the media is wrong, though.

My guess is that LTC8K6 doesn't have a clue as to exactly what he is talking about, because he is relying entirely on second hand information. I saw the show, taped it and watched it again. They were able to determine the size of the foot that was impaled on the screws. It was about 18 inches long. Maximum length of bear footprints is about 9 inches. The only access to the lone cabin on the remote lake, was by float plane. 200 miles to the nearest civilization. No roads in. Did I mention that the footprint was 18 inches long yet. That rules out human tracks. There was no name plate on the board, that said "This is a bear trap. Only bears are permitted to step on this bear trap. Bigfoot should keep away from this bear trap. So should skeptics, assuming that they can read"!!!!!!