Mel Gibson 's racist rant

[plumjam]

Her words have not been discussed. Why? She's not as famous as Mel Gibson. If she say a naughty word, no one (including RadarOnline and TMZ, the sites that broke the story) gives a damn.

When you're posting outside of Forum Management you suddenly forget the importance of the magic word?*

So, there she was, apparently dressed in a provocative dress, with her tape recorder activated. And we don't hear what she said on that tape.
It could have been as bad as, or even worse than, what Gibson said - in a deliberate attempt to provoke him into saying the sorts of thing she wanted to get on tape.
If her words are not available then that very neatly fits such a staged scenario with intention-to-leak.







* context

 

[Lisa Simpson]

Ummm...how do you know she was dressed provacatively? Just because Mel didn't like the way she looked doesn't mean a damn thing.

 

[plumjam]

Ummm...how do you know she was dressed provacatively? Just because Mel didn't like the way she looked doesn't mean a damn thing.

Presumably, having been married to him, she knew very well what kind of clothing would push his buttons.
Whatever she was wearing succeeded in pushing his buttons; and there she was, ready with her hidden tape recorder.
And we still don't hear her part of the conversation.

Are you really a skeptic?

 

[Rasmus]

When you're posting outside of Forum Management you suddenly forget the importance of the magic word?*

So, there she was, apparently dressed in a provocative dress, with her tape recorder activated. And we don't hear what she said on that tape.
It could have been as bad as, or even worse than, what Gibson said - in a deliberate attempt to provoke him into saying the sorts of thing she wanted to get on tape.
If her words are not available then that very neatly fits such a staged scenario with intention-to-leak.







* context

I think the main questions still stands: What could she have possibly said to provoke that kind of response from any reasonable, non-racist non-douche-bag type of person?

I can't think of anything you could be saying to me to get that kind of response.

Well, I can. "Here's 5 million dollars, and they are yours to keep if you say out loud 'This kind of dress wil lget you raped by a pack of ****'"

You keep going on her being dressed provocatively, trying to push buttons. You fail to see the problem with that: Most people don't have buttons that you could push to provoke that sot of reaction.

Yes, there might be outfits that might make me say something like "why not carry a huge 'please rape me' poster instead?'. It would still be a dumb thing to say, but - and here comes the important part - I would not end up telling the world that n-word-people are running around in packs raping women, regardless of how they may be dressed.

It has nothing to do with the dress, or how he feels about this woman, or if those feelings are justified. It's about what he thinks about black people that is the problem.

Never mind the part about him burning down her house. Yes, more people might have that kind of button to push, but it is still a very extreme and disturbingly specific threat, is it not?

 

[kerikiwi]

He danced through the minefield last time he went off like a Roman Candle, hopefully, he gets nailed to the cross on this one.

That's an impressive collection of metaphors. And all so apt.

 

[steve s]

Presumably, having been married to him,...

They weren't married. The devout Catholic was living in sin.

Steve S

 

[sadhatter]

Presumably, having been married to him, she knew very well what kind of clothing would push his buttons.
Whatever she was wearing succeeded in pushing his buttons; and there she was, ready with her hidden tape recorder.
And we still don't hear her part of the conversation.

Are you really a skeptic?

Oh come on, seriously, the man said some nasty things. The situation leading up to that has no bearing unless he was being forced to say these things by some form of threat.

You honestly sound like the best friend of a guy that beats up his wife constantly. " well i mean, people don't know what really goes on there, she really knows how to push his buttons." it is not a valid excuse in that situation and it is not a valid excuse now.

Mel simply said his true feelings when he thought no one was watching, and is now all butt hurt that someone was actually watching. It is like the bully who picks on a kid then turns around to see a teacher standing there. It doesn't matter if the kid said to the teacher " watch me for a few minutes, this guy is going to mess with me." the person still did something wrong.

Provocation is an excuse, lets say in a fight. Some guy shoves me and i punch him back. Provocation is not an excuse when your just going on a racist tirade and making threats on someones life. While i can say " if he didn't push me i wouldn't have hit him." one cannot say " if she didn't provoke me i wouldn't be racist." that is the key difference. Mel is racist, and at the very least comfortable with making threats of violence, one cannot use provocation in this case because the provocation did not cause these things to happen.

 

[applecorped]

You honestly sound like the best friend of a guy that beats up his wife constantly. "

Words equal physical violence?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Words equal physical violence?

That's not even remotelly the point of his comparison.

 

[qayak]

That's an impressive collection of metaphors. And all so apt.

I was hoping someone would appreciate the relationship to his movies.

 

[qayak]

Presumably, having been married to him, she knew very well what kind of clothing would push his buttons.
Whatever she was wearing succeeded in pushing his buttons; and there she was, ready with her hidden tape recorder.
And we still don't hear her part of the conversation.

Are you really a skeptic?

That's [bolding] not really true, is it? You assume that the clothes are what caused the tirade and yet, given Gibson's history, it could very well have been his just lashing out at anything that came into his little pinheaded brain and clothing happened to be it.

We all know his rants lack any basis in reality so I would say that what she was wearing probably had nothing to do with setting him off.

 

[qayak]

This is a woman who decided to sex it up with a married man that's twice her age just because he's rich and famous. So I'm not exactly sympathetic towards her.

Quite frankly I don't think the kid should be living with either of them.

You have failed to apply the same logic to Gibson, ie.- "And this is a man who decided to sex it up with a woman half his age and dump his wife for her. It isn't like he doesn't have any evidence as to how these types of relationships work out so he has no one to blame but himself."

 

[SezMe]

So, there she was, apparently dressed in a provocative dress, with her tape recorder activated. And we don't hear what she said on that tape.

You're having trouble thinking this through, aren't you. SHE has the tape recorder and is using it to gather evidence and you think she's dumb enough to say ANYTHING on the tape other than, "Hi, honey." Sheesh.

 

[Jono]

It's a powerful comment and therefore aimed to insult and confront. Mel might hate black people, or he might not, and/or he might be pawning from the fact that they are 6-7 times more likely to be arrested for rape. I don't know. Perhaps he hates women, or he just hates Oksana? I do know that people who behave like Mel often go off the deep end to cause a reaction when they potentially have, for whatever reason, unhinged streak.

As I note, I myself feel there's often too much ado when 'some' people use tabooed slurs. Literally all hell breaks loose, and many times it's quite hypocritical on both ends. I bet many people here have used slurs of comparitive sorts in jokes, light of heart as well as in anger before, without it being a testament to the evil racist hate embedded within. Imagine if there were recordings on some of the things we've said in either a humerous or, especially, frustrated state of mind (wether on ethnic, cultural or religious groups). I can say that I'd never be able to land a job in most federal or showbiz circles in the US, that's for sure.
Used slurs of loaded terminology? Yepp, used those a lot. Cry me a river. I once used the swedish equivalent of the "c" word to my wife, and damned the entire race of women in one go more than once. Naturally, I regret having done so, and I certainly got the bad apples from that for some time afterward. Do I hate women? No.

Hypothetically, if Snoop Dog would've told his wife that she shouldn't dress or behave in a certain way 'cause then she'd be selling out her proud black heritage and becoming a white motha f*** bi***, who would care even in the slightest? Isn't it fashionable and hip for black artists to say such stuff these days? Aren't there already scores of hip rappers et al that lambast 'honkey crackers' and like Ice Cube, write lyrics about "kill whitey" etc?

In any case, what I am wondering, and what I can't stand, is if Mel has in any way been physically violent against his spouse. I know there were reports on this, and that he had issued some form of order against any information thereof being released by Oksana. Does anyone here know more about this part of their sad story?

 

[plumjam]

You're having trouble thinking this through, aren't you. SHE has the tape recorder and is using it to gather evidence and you think she's dumb enough to say ANYTHING on the tape other than, "Hi, honey." Sheesh.

People have said this, about gathering evidence.
It has been established that in Californian law it is illegal to record a private conversation that your interlocutor believes to be private.

Unless, that is, there is some legal exemption for people in, say, custody battles (in which case I'd expect custody cases to be stuffed full of surreptitious recordings).

How would information gleaned illegally be submittable in a custody court case?

So, it wasn't for gathering evidence at all, was it? It was done in a calculating way to be leaked in a one-sided manner, with no appearance of her own contributions to the discussion (self-protection), in order to splash the worst aspects of his personality all over the global media, in the run up to a custody judgement.


Anyway, the other responses are also amusing.
All aboard the Unreflective Politically Correct Bandwagon!
Ding Ding!

 

[sgtbaker]

Yeah, but he wasn't just using the word to hurl an insult at a driver who cut him off.* He was invoking a really horrible and vicious idea (of black men as dangerous thugs wandering around looking for white women to rape) that has been used to commit horrible crimes against black people. There wasn't an actual black person involved that he was mad at -- it's evidence of the fact that that idea is just smoldering inside him. It's violent and gross and disturbed. (All of which, of course, we should expect from his movies.)



*Not that I'm excusing that either.

You have to assume that sanyone who automatically goes to race when trying to insult anyone, whether it be a traffic incident or a screaming match, is racist.

 

[Ladewig]

It's a powerful comment and therefore aimed to insult and confront. Mel might hate black people, or he might not, and/or he might be pawning from the fact that they are 6-7 times more likely to be arrested for rape. I don't know. Perhaps he hates women, or he just hates Oksana? I do know that people who behave like Mel often go off the deep end to cause a reaction when they potentially have, for whatever reason, unhinged streak.

As I note, I myself feel there's often too much ado when 'some' people use tabooed slurs. Literally all hell breaks loose, and many times it's quite hypocritical on both ends.

For me, it's not the n-word at all. If Mr. Gibson had said, your dressing that way will get you raped by Puerto Ricans, I would still have just as low of an opinion of him. It's claiming that one ethnic or racial group is more likely to rape someone based on her style of dress that offends me.

 

[iknownothing]

I bet many people here have used slurs of comparitive sorts in jokes, light of heart as well as in anger before, without it being a testament to the evil racist hate embedded within. Imagine if there were recordings on some of the things we've said in either a humerous or, especially, frustrated state of mind (wether on ethnic, cultural or religious groups). I can say that I'd never be able to land a job in most federal or showbiz circles in the US, that's for sure.
Used slurs of loaded terminology? Yepp, used those a lot. Cry me a river. I once used the swedish equivalent of the "c" word to my wife, and damned the entire race of women in one go more than once.

Wow, I'm a bit startled by the responses like this, "we all do that" kind of attitude. I don't think I've ever used slurs like that. I can't imagine ever having the thoughts that it would take to spew out something like that. I'd be more likely to speak in tongues (which will never, ever happen).

Hypothetically, if Snoop Dog would've told his wife that she shouldn't dress or behave in a certain way 'cause then she'd be selling out her proud black heritage and becoming a white motha f*** bi***, who would care even in the slightest?

Well A) If he acted all crazy and vicious and yelled it at her instead of "told" her, it would be news. B) But it still doesn't approach the number of levels of nasty going on in what he said.

 

[iknownothing]

assumptions
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etc.

Are you really a skeptic?

I'm not sure I'm understanding your definition of skepticism.

All aboard the Unreflective Politically Correct Bandwagon!

Do you really not see a problem here beyond the political incorrectness?

 

[iknownothing]

You have to assume that sanyone who automatically goes to race when trying to insult anyone, whether it be a traffic incident or a screaming match, is racist.

Exactly. If someone's reaction to something going wrong in their life is a rant about one ethnic group or another -- particularly when that group is completely unrelated to the situation -- it's a pretty safe bet that they feel some genuine hostility to that group.