Mechanisms of Remote Viewing

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
Forget some unknown type of energy. Never gonna work. I'd go with some kind of Matrix idea. The Matrix knows all. The viewer has some way to tap into the Matrix. What I can never figure out is how the viewer addresses particular information in the Matrix, how he homes in on the thing he wants to view or the person whose mind he wants to read.

~~ Paul
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Not that I have anything but disdain for Psi-Tech, or anything, but you've asked this exact same question before, and I answered it. Check out the old "Psi-Tech - No apology" thread.
 
bratok said:
The idea behind RV is that we do have something more then just a phisical body, let it be a "sole" or some "thin bodies" or "astral bodies". Anyway, it is believed to be "something" immortal, that is connected to our phisical body and is controling it.

When the phisical body dies, this "something", the real personality, separates from it and floats into the astral ( remamber the NEDs and their tunels ) and later, possibly, once again incornated in a yet-to-be-born body, so to say. That explains the past-life and incornation theory.
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OK, fine. This is the usual explanation - but how does it fit into our view of physics? What exactly is a spiritual body?

And if it is a 'new energy', it must somehow interact with our present ideas and theories. How?

This is where believers fall down - there is no additional attempt to marry what we know with speculation.


And Steve, thanks for the insight into using Weinberg principles in RV. There's possibilities (spec' fic' stories) in the idea. Now, next step, are there any theories as to how we as biochemical machines can screen, read and interpret any 'quantum' information? I think KS Robinson touched on the idea in his Mars trilogy.

Athon


Athon
 
It's like the people that calculates the destructive power of a imperial destroyer from Star Wars. Or to try to figure out how hyperspace works from watching Babylon 5 and the jump gates. Emm hello it's Sci-Fi, it doesn't work as we know it.
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I agree. Those people are so silly. Any rational person know that if you are going to try to explain the laws of physics from science-fiction you have to start with a movie or TV program where things don't go BOOM in outer space.
 
athon said:
OK, fine. This is the usual explanation - but how does it fit into our view of physics? What exactly is a spiritual body?
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Not so long ago someone said that the earth is round and it did not fit into the believes of that time, that said that the earth is flat... So maybe our physics also aren't perfect?

Anyway, a few authors offer this theorie ( that I can't say I fully understand or agree with ) - everything is vibrations. For example, if we look at green grass, it isn't really green, it induces vibrations that our eyes pick up as green color. Vibrations in another frequency are sound waves, then radio waves, then radioactive waves and so on... They, authors, claim that our physical body also lives at a certain range of vibrations, while our "spiritual body" lives at a much heigher range, that cannot be picked up by our physical body, not by any instruments yet created.


Thanx
 
Not so long ago someone said that the earth is round and it did not fit into the believes of that time, that said that the earth is flat... So maybe our physics also aren't perfect?

Of course physics is not perfect - all scientific knowledge is provisional. However, the Ancient Greeks knew that the Earth was round - from the variation in the apparent position of the Pole Star as you moved South, from the fact that you see a ships sails over the horizon before you see its hull etc.

Anyway, a few authors offer this theorie ( that I can't say I fully understand or agree with ) - everything is vibrations. For example, if we look at green grass, it isn't really green, it induces vibrations that our eyes pick up as green color. Vibrations in another frequency are sound waves, then radio waves, then radioactive waves and so on...

Hopelessly confused between electromagnetic "vibrations" and sound waves - entirely different things (some mathematics applies to both, of course). What is the frequency of these "higher vibrations"? What form do they take?

They, authors, claim that our physical body also lives at a certain range of vibrations, while our "spiritual body" lives at a much heigher range, that cannot be picked up by our physical body, not by any instruments yet created.

Yet some people claim to have access to this "higher range". How? By what mechanism?
Lastly, who are these authors you refer to? Any links?
 
Lastly, who are these authors you refer to? Any links?
The authors I was reffering to are A. Svyash, Robert Monroe ( if I'm not misstaken ) and a few older books about Yoga.

Yet some people claim to have access to this "higher range". How? By what mechanism?
By training. For example, a regulat human ear can't hear above and belowe certain limits of vibrations... While by training this limits can be expended and one would be able to hear sounds that "don't exist" for others. Same is with seeing Auras.

Also by special trainings and meditations one can learn how to leave his physical body and, white traveling in a "spiritual body" that is liveing at a heigher range of vibrations, he also might be able to see what is hidden from a regular eye.

You can take a look at http://www.astralforum.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=6


Thanx
 
bratok said:
[Yet some people claim to have access to this "higher range". How? By what mechanism?
By training. For example, a regulat human ear can't hear above and belowe certain limits of vibrations... While by training this limits can be expended and one would be able to hear sounds that "don't exist" for others. Same is with seeing Auras.
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Hmm...you'd think, then, that Sensation & Perception psychologists and psychophysicists, who dedicate their lives to studying the properties of the sensory systems, would have been able to examine these claims. If you can train to do this, they can see it. Guess what? No such thing.

Don't rely on an "old yoga book" for information about human perceptual systems when there is an entire science devoted to the area. Get to a library, or google "sensation & perception", find out what the actual processes are. Then you might think twice before buying into some woo-woo gibberish.
 
By training. For example, a regular human ear can't hear above and below certain limits of vibrations... While by training this limits can be expended and one would be able to hear sounds that "don't exist" for others. Same is with seeing Auras.
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People who cannot hear above and below a certain range know that sounds exist beyond this range because it is very easy to construct mechanical devices to sense these ultra high or ultra low sounds. It is eas to show that there is a continual spectrum of sound ranging from very low frequencies to very high frequencies. Similarly, we know that just beyond human sight there is EM radiation that can be classified as infra-red and ultra-violet. We can construct devices to detect EM radiation from Gamma rays down to radio waves (see chart). Nowhere on this spectrum do aura waves appear.
 
bratok said:
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Also by special trainings and meditations one can learn how to leave his physical body and, white traveling in a "spiritual body" that is liveing at a heigher range of vibrations, he also might be able to see what is hidden from a regular eye.

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Where can I access this special training? I'm quite willing to dedicate a lot of my time to this, obviously I want to see the complete course curriculum, how progress is measured and so on.
 
bratok said:
By training. For example, a regulat human ear can't hear above and belowe certain limits of vibrations... While by training this limits can be expended and one would be able to hear sounds that "don't exist" for others. Same is with seeing Auras.


Also by special trainings and meditations one can learn how to leave his physical body and, white traveling in a "spiritual body" that is liveing at a heigher range of vibrations, he also might be able to see what is hidden from a regular eye.
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Not true. Trainings (sic) can't accomplish any of these things.Training in sensory psychology could teach you that.
 
TheERK said:
Not that I have anything but disdain for Psi-Tech, or anything, but you've asked this exact same question before, and I answered it. Check out the old "Psi-Tech - No apology" thread.
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Sorry, just reviewed the entire thread, but didn't find an answering to the addressing problem.

~~ Paul
 
bratok said:
Lastly, who are these authors you refer to? Any links?
The authors I was reffering to are A. Svyash, Robert Monroe ( if I'm not misstaken ) and a few older books about Yoga.

Yet some people claim to have access to this "higher range". How? By what mechanism?
By training. For example, a regulat human ear can't hear above and belowe certain limits of vibrations... While by training this limits can be expended and one would be able to hear sounds that "don't exist" for others. Same is with seeing Auras.

Also by special trainings and meditations one can learn how to leave his physical body and, white traveling in a "spiritual body" that is liveing at a heigher range of vibrations, he also might be able to see what is hidden from a regular eye.

You can take a look at http://www.astralforum.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=6


Thanx
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I'm sorry, bratok - this is so much nonsense.
If it were possible to train the human ear in this way we'd all know about it by now. Also, as ladewing has said, we have instruments that can do this for us (and much else) - why can't they give us contact with the spirit world?
 
Dragon asks: ............why can't they give us contact with the spirit world?
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There is a considerable body of literature, how much of it is valid I do not know, which concerns ITC or Instrumental Transcommunication which is one possible answer to your question....so yes, there are allegedly instruments which provide "contact." This technology is also called TDC or Transdimensional Communication, EVP or electronic voice phenomena and, for many years in France, was simply
referred to as Raudive voices.

There is a comprhensive book which is being translated from German and placed online free to download and read.

THE BRIDGE BETWEEN EARTH AND BEYOND,

by Hildegard Schaefer


Until now, the book has been widely read in
Europe only and has not been available in English.

It is now being carefully translated into English,
and the first 15 chapters can be seen
on the following website.

The rest of the book will be added to the
site as the translations are completed.

Simply go to

www.worlditc.org

click on BOOKS in the left-hand frame,

then click on the book title at the end of the list.
 
Steve, sometimes I think you are just pulling our collective plonker.
I'm afraid I don't have the time or the patience to wade through interminable stories about contact with the spirit world. Help me out - is there anything that might even approximate to
evidence?
 
LOL Dragon. You asked about why there has been no instrumental contact with the spirit world. I replied with evidence that a lot of researchers allege there has been through the techniques or disciplines or whatever mentioned. In fact the word instrument appears in the very definition of their claim: instrumental transcommunication. Honestly, I didnt make this up.
Its out there with a history going back more than 50 years.

I am not here to provide you with evidence and frankly I wouldnt know what evidence you want or how to provide it on this forum so unless you read up on the subject and listen to the tapes of alleged instrumentally obtained spirit voices, I do not know what else to suggest. I have no personal evidence that these voices and claims are genuine but you are best to jduge for yourself and not leave it up to me.

I frankly do not go to the time and trouble of posting responses so I can be asked to do the follow-up work as well. Sorry, can't help you.
 
Steve,

bratok said earlier
They, authors, claim that our physical body also lives at a certain range of vibrations, while our "spiritual body" lives at a much heigher range, that cannot be picked up by our physical body, not by any instruments yet created.
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For example, a regulat human ear can't hear above and belowe certain limits of vibrations... While by training this limits can be expended and one would be able to hear sounds that "don't exist" for others. Same is with seeing Auras.
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- hence my question about instruments.

You jumped in and posted a rather wordy link, about which I notice you hedged your comments - fair enough - but is there anything in there you find convincing?
 
I'm cross posting something I've just posted into the Calling All Remote Viewers thread because I am so angry.


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I was about to add a rather flippant comment into this thread about still no sign of the girl and asking the RVers who post here to again find her.

When searching to see if anymore news had been posted I came across this site:

http://crime.about.com/library/blfiles/blmissingchildren.htm#everett

and then this one

http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PublicHomeServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US

I can’t say how angry I am at the moment, knowing there are these liars these inhumane fools who strut around here claiming the ability to RV, claiming it has been proven, claiming it can find people.

LOOK AT THESE SITES, LOOK AT THESE KIDS AND STOP LYING!
 
Mercutio said:
Can't they see this board anyway? From wherever they are, without an internet connection? Couldn't they be watching (excuse me, viewing) me typing this even before I submit it?
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Who knows.

You must be one of those people who says "If God is all powerful, why doesn't he do ____", or "If God is all knowing, why doesn't he do _____", and then you fill in the blanks with what you think you would do if you were a God.

That is rather a strawgod argument.
 
bratok said:
This "something" also remambers everything about all out past lives, only this information is locked. While it can be unlocked in certain meditations. For example, during such meditation, one person remambered that he served on a ship that went down in WWI. He also remambered his name and the ships name. After checking the records, it appeared that there really was this ship and that someone under this name served on it... How else could he know it?
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He could easily have picked up such information from a history book prior to the meditation. I find it funny that no one thought of that simple possibility, and instead jumped to the extraordinary explanation you describe.

Peter :)
 
Dragon asks....You jumped in and posted a rather wordy link, about which I notice you hedged your comments - fair enough - but is there anything in there you find convincing?

No, I am rarely if ever convinced and no, I am not about this but that does not mean it does not exist and others can't review it for themselves. I am sorry it was wordy. I guess 15 chapters and more coming of a book on the subject is wordy. Most people like free online books if they have the HD space. I have not read, just scanned, the book yet either and probably wont for a while but have it saved.
 
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